Plain Talker Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I'm sorry, but I don't want you to say that to me. I find it offensive. Keep it to yourself please. It's no more offensive than being kind and caring, and wishing Christians a happy Christmas or happy Easter, Jews a blessed Passover, Hindus a blessed Diwali, or offering Pagans blessings for Yule, or other holidays such as Beltane. What about general "Happy new year" greetings? are those greetings offensive? I still offer my "holiday" greetings to my friends of different faiths. What happens to Muslims in the Arctic circle, if Ramadan is in summer & they've got 24hr daylight? In that case, as we might find with Ramadan falling during Summer, as it has at the moment, the Muslim in the Arctic would follow "Mecca time" or the time of their home country, if it's not in the Arctic. They would make their prayers and begin/ end their fast according to the timings there. Naturally, it would not be logical to fast according to the Arctic's 24 hour daylight. (nor would it be safe for the "fastee" to abstain from food and water for such a long time. Also, what happens if someone is diabetic? Fasting would cause problems. I'm not sure about the specifics for Ramadhan but in most instances if Muslims are not able to comply with their religious 'rules' they are excused, or asked to perform some act of charity when they can in return. Stevie, as PaliRichard has stated, there are exemptions from fasting if the person is unable to keep the fast. If you are healthy, and "sane" you are expected to keep the fast. For example, I am a type I Diabetic, as well as having heart problems, and am not well enough to keep the fast. I pay charity, the equivalent of providing a needy person with a main meal for every fast-day I miss. It's called "Fidya". You are expected to refrain form food and drink, sexual intercourse, and smoking during daylight hours. Children are excused until they are mature enough to keep fast for themselves. Anyone with a terminal or "incurable" illness is excused. Women who are pregnant, or who have recently given birth or are nursing-mothers are excused, as are women who have their period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Do diabetics get some leeway? Edit: Ah, someone's asked already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasha_78_1 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Also, what happens if someone is diabetic? Fasting would cause problems. The fasting of Ramadan is excused for:- the insane; children who are not adolescent yet; the elderly and chronically ill for whom fasting is unreasonably strenuous; Such persons are required to feed at least one poor person every day in Ramadan for which he or she has missed fasting. pregnant women and nursing may postpone the fasting at a later time; the ill and the travellers can also defer their fasting. Women during the period of menstruation or of post childbirth confinement. Fasting during these periods is forbidden and should be made up later, a day for a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 If you are healthy, and "sane" you are expected to keep the fast. Can you have a cup of tea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagel Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Naturally, it would not be logical to fast according to the Arctic's 24 hour daylight. (nor would it be safe for the "fastee" to abstain from food and water for such a long time. What kind of a word is "fastee"? It makes it sound like fasting is a passive activity rather than an active choice. There's a perfectly good English word already in existence which is "faster", meaning someone who is fasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodStar Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Saying Happy Ramadan is like saying Happy Abstaining...kind of like 'Enjoy not eating hahaha!' I've never heard anybody say Happy Lent. Lent & Ramadan arent celebrations like birthdays or christmas so it's dumb to say Happy XXXX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaliRichard Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Saying Happy Ramadan is like saying Happy Abstaining...kind of like 'Enjoy not eating hahaha!' I've never heard anybody say Happy Lent. Lent & Ramadan arent celebrations like birthdays or christmas so it's dumb to say Happy XXXX I've heard loads of Christians wish each other happy lent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaliRichard Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Can you have a cup of tea? You can't drink between sunrise and sunset Chris, unless you have to as pointed out above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 You can't drink between sunrise and sunset I never realised it was that extreme. Dangerous, surely, in certain contexts. I wouldn't like to go out and work in heat all day long with no fluids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaliRichard Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I never realised it was that extreme. Dangerous, surely, in certain contexts. I wouldn't like to go out and work in heat all day long with no fluids. Neither would I. When I was training I was once in the gym with a Muslim guy doing some power lifting training without water. I wouldn't fancy that much personally. Just a quick edit to say if you were working in a role that required you to drink or it would be dangerous it is permitted, that's down to the individual to decide for themselves as far as I can make out. Every year I do a days fast with my Muslim friends and join them for a meal in the evening, it doesn't bother me for a day, but as I said at the start of this post, I wouldn't fancy it for a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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