Help stop kitten experiments at Cardiff University.

[Obelix]

Then your knowledge is lacking.

 

Or perhaps your college course wasn't as rigorous as it could have been.

[mort]

And perhaps it might be possible not to start bickering.

[cgksheff]

Then your knowledge is lacking.

 

Worth a quick read:

 

http://www6.miami.edu/ethics/jpsl/archives/all/TestingThalidomide.html

[Kerrangaroo]

@ cgksheff

 

That was hard going but it appears that I have to concede defeat on that count. My opinion on animal testing remains the same however and perhaps there is still scope for change.

 

Copy paste;

 

Sadly, the 1962 Drug Amendments are still interpreted as mandating animal testing, despite advances in other toxicology technologies that render animal tests increasingly obsolete. It has been shown conclusively that testing on human tissue in vitro could have predicted the danger that thalidomide posed. In vitro testing, computer modeling, and other technologies are increasingly surpassing animal models in both accuracy and efficiency, but the U.S. has yet to adapt its regulatory process to acknowledge these changes. Instead, the continuing mandate on animal testing serves to entrench ineffective and anachronistic testing methods and to stifle the development of new testing methods. As a result, the animal research industry has grown, health-care costs have risen, and medical progress has slowed. And despite the vast expenditure on animal toxicity testing, drugs remain unsafe, and tragedies continue to occur.

[Kerrangaroo]

Or perhaps your college course wasn't as rigorous as it could have been.

 

It was 2 years of pain but sadly I neglected to dig deep enough on this issue.

[Kerrangaroo]

Just on this, the differences between ourselves and animals are such that drugs rarely display the same reaction.

 

This from the same report.

 

Claiming that animal testing could have predicted thalidomide’s teratogenicity is not scientifically viable. This is especially true in light of the fact that animal models even today do not have a high positive predictive value or negative predictive value for assessing teratogenicity or any human response to drugs or disease.

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Are you saying that we aren't animal, that we are a species apart from them?

Yes- we are homo sapiens, and cats aren't.

[Kerrangaroo]

Yes- we are homo sapiens, and cats aren't.

 

But we are animal!

[Jeffrey Shaw]

But we are animal!

'Animus' means 'soul'; and even non-alive creations [e.g. minerals] have souls. So what?

[Kerrangaroo]

'Animus' means 'soul'; and even non-alive creations [e.g. minerals] have souls. So what?

 

So nothing, i'm only trying to establish whether or not you place humans outside of the kingdom of Animalia