Jeffrey Shaw Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Human beings are different, aren't they. Yes, we are alive; and animals are alive too- but so are trees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickiethecat Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Let's experiment on trees instead then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerrangaroo Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Human beings are different, aren't they. Yes, we are alive; and animals are alive too- but so are trees! That doesn't answer the question though. I know we are different. In fact reading it again it does answer the question. 'We are alive and animals are alive too' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barleycorn Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 To be willing to use products whose research and development methods you disagree with is a tad hypocritical..it's a pot and kettle situation.. Whilst hypocritical it does not necessarily invalidate the argument. The tu quoque or appeal to hypocrisy logical fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 So nothing, i'm only trying to establish whether or not you place humans outside of the kingdom of Animalia Why stop there - you could extend that to all eukaryotes. However I don;t think you could do research into lazy eye syndrome on a eukaryote like a tobacco plant or a nematode worm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerrangaroo Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Why stop there - you could extend that to all eukaryotes. However I don;t think you could do research into lazy eye syndrome on a eukaryote like a tobacco plant or a nematode worm. Are these not just cells though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Yes. But they are still the same kingdom of life as us. The point is that some species are more suitable than others for the research and kittens in this case happen to be presumably the most suitable. If they could get away with using mice instead I'm sure they would - if they used primates it would probably be even easier, but they seem OK with using kittens, so that's where they ended up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamatron Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 So nothing, i'm only trying to establish whether or not you place humans outside of the kingdom of Animalia I don't, we are no better than any other creature and are worth no more. If you say that you get accused of thinking animals are more important than people which is the exact opposite of what is stated above. I don't think people have the right to inflict harm on any other creature for any reason other than immediate survival. Lazy eyes are not anywhere near a good enough excuse for this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerrangaroo Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Yes. But they are still the same kingdom of life as us. The point is that some species are more suitable than others for the research and kittens in this case happen to be presumably the most suitable. If they could get away with using mice instead I'm sure they would - if they used primates it would probably be even easier, but they seem OK with using kittens, so that's where they ended up. The point is that we shouldn't be using 'animals' at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 The point is that we shouldn't be using 'animals' at all. You still havent put forward a convincing argument as to why that's the case though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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