Kerrangaroo Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 If you are not prepared to walk the talk then why should anyone listen to you? A good question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamatron Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 According to the scientists they were never in pain, and I tend to agree with you about using animals to find cures for genetic disorders, when the solution is to stop passing the genetic disorder onto next generation of people. clearly bull! If it is painless having your eye sewn up then being killed why not do it to children. Oh wait you are quite right: "The kittens were then anaesthetised, artificially ventilated and paralysed with a drug to prevent eye movements. They were then subjected to highly invasive head surgery during which the skin was cut away, the skull was opened and the brain was exposed for recordings." Sounds painless to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 clearly bull! If it is painless having your eye sewn up then being killed why not do it to children. Oh wait you are quite right: "The kittens were then anaesthetised, artificially ventilated and paralysed with a drug to prevent eye movements. They were then subjected to highly invasive head surgery during which the skin was cut away, the skull was opened and the brain was exposed for recordings." Sounds painless to me! I imagine it’s the same principle has brain surgery in humans when the patient has to remain conscious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I certainly won't sign the petition. This sounds like valuable research and it also sounds like the kittens are anaesthetised throughout the procedure anyway. Of course there is room for people to be concerned about animal welfare as well as that of human beings, but I remain deeply suspicious of those ( I suspect the OP is one) who value animal lives over human lives. I think they're damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Hi, British Union for the Abolition of Vivisection are trying to get 20'000 petitions signed and sent off. Please try and find the time to help, thanks. :0) http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/stop-kitten-experiments-at-cardiff-university Can I ask if you are against the research and production of new antibiotics which are, after all, tested on other living organisms..namely bacteria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerrangaroo Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Can I ask if you are against the research and production of new antibiotics which are, after all, tested on other living organisms..namely bacteria? Are bacteria capable of feeling pain and registering fear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerrangaroo Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I certainly won't sign the petition. This sounds like valuable research and it also sounds like the kittens are anaesthetised throughout the procedure anyway. Of course there is room for people to be concerned about animal welfare as well as that of human beings, but I remain deeply suspicious of those ( I suspect the OP is one) who value animal lives over human lives. I think they're damaged. It's a necessary evil I suppose but for the record i'm damaged and have more sympathy for an animal than the loss of human life aside from those that mean something to me, the rest are little more than a population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Are bacteria capable of feeling pain and registering fear? So if the test animals are anaesthetised and don't feel pain or fear then it's OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamatron Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I imagine it’s the same principle has brain surgery in humans when the patient has to remain conscious. humans know what is going on and why its being done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerrangaroo Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 So if the test animals are anaesthetised and don't feel pain or fear then it's OK? No because they are aware of the situation and surroundings leading up to it the same as you and I before an operation. Granted they are blissfully unaware of the procedure to follow but they do react to a difference of routine. Bacteria good or bad do not possess the ability or the brain to feel pain, it's likely that they are oblivious to being alive at all rather they are programmed to do what they do without deviating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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