discodown Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I cant stand places that call themselves bar and grills or canteen and bar or bar and kitchen So pretentious Whats pretentious about it? If theres a bar and a grill then its a bar and grill. Canteen, I agree, is just a ridiculous description of a restaurant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeeeeeeeeek Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I was in Harrogate on Saturday, LOADS of Bistro and small independent eateries, none of them were cheap and I could not get a table for two in ANY of them. I know Harrogate is very different to Sheffield, but you would think that the centre of Sheffield would be able to attract places other than Silversmiths and that they would be able to make a go of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discodown Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Problem is the chains reign fairly supreme in sheffield as they can afford the rent. There are some indies kicking about but they are few and far between and are of varying quality and most of them are just bars/pubs that happen to sell food - 23 being a good example. Other issue is people just won't pay the prices. Anything more than Wetherspoons prices and people run to the hills no matter what the quality is. I'm surprised most of the venues in Leopold Square have lasted to be honest. Sheffield, in general, wants it cheap and piled high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger123W Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Problem is the chains reign fairly supreme in sheffield as they can afford the rent. There are some indies kicking about but they are few and far between and are of varying quality and most of them are just bars/pubs that happen to sell food - 23 being a good example. Other issue is people just won't pay the prices. Anything more than Wetherspoons prices and people run to the hills no matter what the quality is. I'm surprised most of the venues in Leopold Square have lasted to be honest. Sheffield, in general, wants it cheap and piled high Well I am happy its closed and the London club should be too .. too bloody expensive for me and my dog .. Sheffield doesnt need places like these no one can afford em and give us some more Wetherspoons ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul2412 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Quite sad really, I absolutely loved their mixed grills but I agree that the service was very hit and miss. Some nights the service would be great and then others the waitress didn't know anything at all and didn't seem to care. As for the people on here calling it pretentious and being happy that it closed down, your level might be Wetherspoons or the local chippy but some of us actually like to experience a restaurant that is a little more upmarket. It's a shame that a local, independent business has gone bust but then again with the attitude of people on here it's highly unlikely anything other than yet another chain would survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kthebean Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I was in Harrogate on Saturday, LOADS of Bistro and small independent eateries, none of them were cheap and I could not get a table for two in ANY of them. I know Harrogate is very different to Sheffield, but you would think that the centre of Sheffield would be able to attract places other than Silversmiths and that they would be able to make a go of it. Harrogate is very different to Sheffield though. Well heeled folk from Leeds and Manchester go there for the weekend for the express purpose of spending money. You don't see much of that round here. I probably earn more than the average wage in Sheffield but I wouldn't go somewhere where the steak was £18. I do support local businesses and restaurants but, I have a mortgage to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainChaos Posted August 1, 2012 Author Share Posted August 1, 2012 It is a sad fact that Not just Sheffield but The test of south Yorkshire rate restaurants on cost alone. If you also get a piled up plate for next to nothing that's even better, quality is not really an issue to most. I would always pay for quality. The bar and grill opened and was run by a total incompetent. The original manager was clueless as to costs and profits, and the chef wouldn't know how to make a profit if it came and kicked him up the arse. By the time all this came to light the place was on its knees. Like I said its a pity but it's happened entirely down to incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobs123 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Well I am happy its closed and the London club should be too .. too bloody expensive for me and my dog .. Sheffield doesnt need places like these no one can afford em and give us some more Wetherspoons ! This is why i'm rapidly starting to think Sheffield's in trouble. Any attempt to go even middle/upmarket by someone is akin to saying you've just had a wee on a small child. We are lagging behind Manchester and Leeds in so many ways, and this attitude is why. How dare someone even attempt to make something vaugely upmarket. Don't like it? Stay down the market/moor end of town, or go to Doncaster/Rovrum for your nights out/meals. Stock is expensive - or did you miss that prices for food have nearly tripled/quadrupled in some cases in the last two years in supermarkets? Rents are up... And don't even get me started on alcohol prices/duty either. Lets have Banker's Draughts the city over, that'll be fantastic. /Rant In terms of the Bar & Grill closing, its a real shame. But it'll give someone else the opportunity to step in perhaps. Who owns the Leopold square leases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheffBloke Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Harrogate is very different to Sheffield though. Well heeled folk from Leeds and Manchester go there for the weekend for the express purpose of spending money. You don't see much of that round here. I probably earn more than the average wage in Sheffield but I wouldn't go somewhere where the steak was £18. I do support local businesses and restaurants but, I have a mortgage to pay. Harrogate doesnt need anyone from Leeds or Manchester spending money there at weekends, its a wealthy town in it's self, infact it's probably the Harrogate folk that go spending loads of brass in the top shops of Leeds. Sheffield centre will always struggle to have a more upmarket bar/restaurant as the "afterwork" crowd hardly exists in the city centre as there aren't any businesses, hardly any big law firms, accountants, banks, insurance companys and all the shoppers with money are in Meadowhall, blame the council, it's them thats to blame as over the past 30 years they've totally killed the city centre off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy C Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Interesting actually, with a few exceptions the most successfull examples of venues in the Sheffield area doing good food are in more laid back venues - perhaps those that are happy to pay more for good food round here don't like a formal, stuffy atmosphere - they prefer a more relaxed, social place with staff and management that you can talk to like a friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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