truman Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Any job that doesn't provide a decent standard of living. Slavery was outlawed years ago so a job that only provides enough for food and a roof are rubbish jobs.. http://www.jobsite.co.uk/cgi-bin/advsearch Fill your boots...you said they're all rubbish jobs...no they're not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willman Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Without details of the jobs and salary I couldn't comment. Are they all minimum wage? No they aren't,they provide company car,mobile phone,laptop,pension,30 days holiday,bonuses. Don't get me wrong other types of jobs offer far more, a senior manager at McDonalds earns more than me,my daughter earns more as a schoolteacher but it is an acceptable standard of living. My bonus averages 5k a year for the past 3 years - that's not a boast 'cos for some people that's a monthly bonus,but i'm not prepared to divulge all my financial details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 The problem is there are jobs, but they're all rubbish jobs. There's no incentive to work, the money on offer doesn't provide a decent standard of living. Unfortunately, those at the top benefit from this, while avoiding paying their due tax. We're being suckered into blaming people on benefit for the country's ills. We're all in a race to the bottom. A crackdown on benefits will mean lower pay for those in work... I've got opening for two people here. Pay on offer is £32k a year, plus medical cover, bonuses etc. Is that a rubbish job? It's about average for this industry, and I can't fill them with people from the UK because there are no people willing to take them. Perhaps it's that people don't want them, rather than them not being available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayfish Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 What industry is that, out of curiosity? (I am looking around for alternative career options.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 It's in IT, general server admin and junior DBA. There are lots of open places out there and a real skills shortage to fill it sadly. The problem is that most people (and I'm not including you in that) seem to think a years pushing about on Facebook and setting up a few home PC's and building one from bits equips them for professional IT work - it doesn't sadly. They won't take the junior roles as they think it's beneath them, so the east end of Europe come in and fill the gap for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayfish Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 It's in IT, general server admin and junior DBA. There are lots of open places out there and a real skills shortage to fill it sadly. The problem is that most people (and I'm not including you in that) seem to think a years pushing about on Facebook and setting up a few home PC's and building one from bits equips them for professional IT work - it doesn't sadly. They won't take the junior roles as they think it's beneath them, so the east end of Europe come in and fill the gap for them. Thanks for replying. I'm not qualified for IT, but it's interesting to hear about what other career paths offer. Science does not compare well as a career, to put it mildly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Thanks for replying. I'm not qualified for IT, but it's interesting to hear about what other career paths offer. Science does not compare well as a career, to put it mildly. You don;t need a qualification per se - a general science degree is more than sufficient to show ability and the requisite intelligence to be able to do most of the work. Almost all people I know in IT are self taught anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLakeland Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 It's in IT, general server admin and junior DBA. There are lots of open places out there and a real skills shortage to fill it sadly. The problem is that most people (and I'm not including you in that) seem to think a years pushing about on Facebook and setting up a few home PC's and building one from bits equips them for professional IT work - it doesn't sadly. They won't take the junior roles as they think it's beneath them, so the east end of Europe come in and fill the gap for them. But isn't that about not having the necessary skilled/qualified people and not about people not wanting work. Perhaps if the government and business offered training places at your sort of organization all parties would be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 But isn't that about not having the necessary skilled/qualified people and not about people not wanting work. Perhaps if the government and business offered training places at your sort of organization all parties would be happy. Perhaps if people invested in themselves and got their own training it'd be even better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 You don;t need a qualification per se - a general science degree is more than sufficient to show ability and the requisite intelligence to be able to do most of the work. Almost all people I know in IT are self taught anyway. If that's so why have different course why not just have one, the same course in every university? I can't speak for all universities, but I suspect the vast chunk of them model courses around what reps from businesses ask, so their can get recruits with a basic knowledge within the field the business in which they operate. From the few course I've done at university, I know quite a few of the lecturers were part-time employees and the rest of the time they were employed in some context within their specialist business areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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