tinfoilhat Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 But the courses are there now, at local colleges, for free if you are unemployed. Obelix, would you take someone on with a btec level 3 in it ? A brief look at the course prospectus indicates it covers what you need. Would it ? http://www.chesterfield.ac.uk/information-technology-btec-subsidiary-diploma-level-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 But isn't that about not having the necessary skilled/qualified people and not about people not wanting work. Perhaps if the government and business offered training places at your sort of organization all parties would be happy. Perhaps if people got of their backsides and did it themselves they'd be happy too. Why is it *always* the fault of the Govt, the employers, the phase of the moon, the solar cycle, the fact you were not born with a silver spoon, why is it *always* the fault of anyone apart from the bone idle layabout? It's not. Man up and take some responsibility in your own life. You make your own breaks stop expecting people to make them for you. I've filled the starter positions already, and they both went to Poles because the few Britons who applied wanted to be paid 30k+ because they could like build a computer innit like right easy. Clue: you don't get paid the big kahunas unless you can actually do the work - and stripping a PC down and bunging it back together isn't even the smallest part of it. That and they turned up to an interview acting like I should be grateful they had applied for the job. Sorry. Lifes to short - I want people that'll work, that'll listen and advance and not be a unsufferable pain in the butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 But the courses are there now, at local colleges, for free if you are unemployed. Obelix, would you take someone on with a btec level 3 in it ? A brief look at the course prospectus indicates it covers what you need. Would it ? http://www.chesterfield.ac.uk/information-technology-btec-subsidiary-diploma-level-3 It doesnt even begin to cover what's needed for the position although it's probably a useful introduction to the industry and would be fairly useful for someone starting out. You won't walk out of that directly into a DBA role although it would probably be fairly useful for a general first line support and admin role. Certainly in lieu of experience it would be well worth having. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willman Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 If that's so why have different course why not just have one, the same course in every university? I can't speak for all universities, but I suspect the vast chunk of them model courses around what reps from businesses ask, so their can get recruits with a basic knowledge within the field the business in which they operate. From the few course I've done at university, I know quite a few of the lecturers were part-time employees and the rest of the time they were employed in some context within their specialist business areas. The trade and career i have has no training courses at college or university level and you certainly can't get a degree in it. Even "aftermarket" courses only bring newer ideas and concepts to the table and not something that can be quantified as training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 If that's so why have different course why not just have one, the same course in every university? I can't speak for all universities, but I suspect the vast chunk of them model courses around what reps from businesses ask, so their can get recruits with a basic knowledge within the field the business in which they operate. From the few course I've done at university, I know quite a few of the lecturers were part-time employees and the rest of the time they were employed in some context within their specialist business areas. Because there is no course that can teach you what you need to know in time. By the time you do a course in something it's going to be getting on for out of date. What is needed for IT is a good logical understanding and the ability to reason which a general science degree will teach you. After that it's learn on the job and work your way up from there - IT has always been very much a meritocracy in terms of progression because that's tied in with the way you learn about things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 What do you mean by "rubbish jobs"? Can I refer you to my post number 60. This is how they arrive at the figures for all these 'vacancies' that can't be filled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Perhaps if people got of their backsides and did it themselves they'd be happy too. Why is it *always* the fault of the Govt, the employers, the phase of the moon, the solar cycle, the fact you were not born with a silver spoon, why is it *always* the fault of anyone apart from the bone idle layabout? It's not. Man up and take some responsibility in your own life. You make your own breaks stop expecting people to make them for you. I've filled the starter positions already, and they both went to Poles because the few Britons who applied wanted to be paid 30k+ because they could like build a computer innit like right easy. Clue: you don't get paid the big kahunas unless you can actually do the work - and stripping a PC down and bunging it back together isn't even the smallest part of it. That and they turned up to an interview acting like I should be grateful they had applied for the job. Sorry. Lifes to short - I want people that'll work, that'll listen and advance and not be a unsufferable pain in the butt. Training courses cost money. When you don't have any money that presents a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Please could you provide an example household budget for such a person/family? Even the case studies I've found in Barnados reports are not this dramatic. No, of course I can't supply individual's budgets. However, food banks, (you won't know where they are, they only serve people in desperate need,) now give food to 180,000 people in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Training courses cost money. When you don't have any money that presents a problem. Wherever did I say that a course is needed? Read back through the thread - I've shown a device that is ideal for learning. If you have a modern PC which I think probably most posters on here do then you have all you need to do some serious learning yourself, and the cost will be fairly close to zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayfish Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 You don;t need a qualification per se - a general science degree is more than sufficient to show ability and the requisite intelligence to be able to do most of the work. Almost all people I know in IT are self taught anyway. I will look into this, I had assumed one would need a specific degree or other higher qualification. I'd probably enjoy that type of work. Planning to apply to study medicine, but it's very competitive for mature entrants so I need a plan B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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