Mecky Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Care to show me where I cam out in support of them or the current policy? Oh wait that's right - you can't... ---------- Post added 19-08-2014 at 18:57 ---------- Now now as I said you answer all your outstanding questions and I'll consider answering yours. ah, I see you've lost another another argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 And I see you still don't understand the principles of effective debate Mecky... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASGOWOODS Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Investment in Rail Network is 26% of the cost of a ticket. Thats an awful lot of money for such a shoddy system, where is it all going?? Probably financing the new underground system in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I was watching the news today & huge amount goes on updating railway stations, important but increasing capacity I'd prioritise I did notice that the interview on this was conducted outside the freshly refurbished Reading Station to show us where all the ticket money has gone :hihi::hihi: ---------- Post added 20-08-2014 at 13:53 ---------- Probably financing the new underground system in London. Isn't that supposed to be funded by TFL/London Council/The Government?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASGOWOODS Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I did notice that the interview on this was conducted outside the freshly refurbished Reading Station to show us where all the ticket money has gone :hihi::hihi: ---------- Post added 20-08-2014 at 13:53 ---------- Isn't that supposed to be funded by TFL/London Council/The Government?? This is what they would like us believe.... geared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T 42 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Successive governments have wanted the passengers to pay more whilst the Treasury pays less. The treasury doesn't pay anything. The tax payer does. The question is "who should pay to use the railways? Should it be the folk who use them or the folk who don't?" If I lived on the Shetland Islands tending sheep I'd wonder why I needed to pay more tax so a banker from Gilford could get a cheaper fare into the city of London to pick up his £million bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansheff Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I like how the Tory Minister says people need to realise they are paying fair fares for comfortable commuting. I wonder if she has seen people packed in like sardines having to stand and paying thousands of pounds a year for a season ticket for the privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASGOWOODS Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I like how the Tory Minister says people need to realise they are paying fair fares for comfortable commuting. I wonder if she has seen people packed in like sardines having to stand and paying thousands of pounds a year for a season ticket for the privilege. On the box the other day, someone was saying the Brits pay around 14% of their annual salary to commute. While in Italy it's 1%...Spain and France around 3-5% of their annual salary. I would hazard a guess that their trains are cleaner, on time and you get a seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 On the box the other day, someone was saying the Brits pay around 14% of their annual salary to commute. While in Italy it's 1%...Spain and France around 3-5% of their annual salary. I would hazard a guess that their trains are cleaner, on time and you get a seat. Yes but... Italy they nail you for 23% income tax on everything up to 15k - no personal allowance. Then 27% after that to about 30k. And theres a 40% deduction that they employer has to make as well.... Germany they stiff you up to 24% to 13k then onto 42% up to 50 something k income. And they tax you 5.5% on top of you income tax bill - if you have tax due of 10,000 then it costs you 550 to file that claim.... France just likes to stiff you so much people leave. Income tax might only about about 18% but then there is 8% social payments minimun, if you happen to own a lot of stuff like cars and houses you pay 3% of it's value a year (want to pay a rent of £3000 on a house you already own?) and there are byzantine local taxes - you have to pay tax just because you have a residence in addition to the wealth tax.... They have cheap trains because they already stiffed you elsewhere for it. It's not really feasible to directly compare between them and us, or indeed each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASGOWOODS Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Yes but... Italy they nail you for 23% income tax on everything up to 15k - no personal allowance. Then 27% after that to about 30k. And theres a 40% deduction that they employer has to make as well.... Germany they stiff you up to 24% to 13k then onto 42% up to 50 something k income. And they tax you 5.5% on top of you income tax bill - if you have tax due of 10,000 then it costs you 550 to file that claim.... France just likes to stiff you so much people leave. Income tax might only about about 18% but then there is 8% social payments minimun, if you happen to own a lot of stuff like cars and houses you pay 3% of it's value a year (want to pay a rent of £3000 on a house you already own?) and there are byzantine local taxes - you have to pay tax just because you have a residence in addition to the wealth tax.... They have cheap trains because they already stiffed you elsewhere for it. It's not really feasible to directly compare between them and us, or indeed each other. Thanks for this Obelix. There's always another side to a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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