johncocker Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 before anyone jumps on me my caps letter button is bust. back to the question what if hitler had won the war and britain was her friend and what would europe look now? i think robert harris's fatherland was a good as a what if history book. P k dick the sifi writer wrote a book about it " the man in the high castle" where the Axis powers won the Second World War. America has been divided into a Japanese colony on the West Coast, a German colony on the East Coast and sort of a midwest buffer state between the two. to tell you the truth I found it hard to read People are not who they seem to be, reality is not as real as you might think, the counterfeit is indistinguishable from the "real".as with a lot of p k dicks books Paranoia seems to be the main theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 ...at the very start of this discussion I mentioned good things he bought to germany. Hitler said he would get every german in to work, he got nearly everyone in work, now you said they were forced to work, when the german people were happy they finally had jobs.. Now he created a huge increase in germany......he bought in better sanitation, healthcare improved, he was into better technology and he was fond of science and set up labs where they looked for cures for certain diseases.... But ron if you think I'm sounding like I liked hitler then let me know coz I don't want people thinking I liked hitler Where would we get that impression from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scare Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Where would we get that impression from? Well you know from being bias, hehe...i got a question for ronthenekred, as he seems to think only germany ever did propaganda,.....who plays the good guys in cowboy and Indian films?.....Also did america ever do a film in the 50's where the Indians were the good guys?...i don't know answer to second question so if he knows, it would be interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I give up. I tried, but... no the normal german wasnt forced he forced the jews and the gays to work as free labour, yes he did tell them they had to work but did somthing about it and gave them jobs building houses hospitals schools factorys the auto bahn to mention a few the german ppl loved hitler for stoping all the crime and degradation that was happening and starting free health care free education worker welfare womans rightI swore to myself I'd ignore this thread after I put Scare on my ignore list...but I just couldn't resist coming back to it, after reading the above post: it just reminds so much of this :hihi: (with apologies to sensible types for the humour in bad taste) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scare Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 This is a serious question though ron, i might be off topic but don't fancy starting a thread on this one... When I was a kid I realised I was propagandised by American films, me and my mates loved playing cowboy and Indians as a kid, the only downside to the game was that we could never convince enough to be indians.. My mates would say they would rather be the good guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scare Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I swore to myself I'd ignore this thread after I put Scare on my ignore list...but I just couldn't resist coming back to it, after reading the above post: it just reminds so much of this :hihi: (with apologies to sensible types for the humour in bad taste) Am I really on your ignore list or you using the list as an excuse so I can't contradict what you say....oh and if I'm not on your ignore list then please stop presuming me and larde agree on absolutely everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larde Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Government income had been 10 billion Reichsmarks in 1928. In 1939, it stood at 15 billion. However, government spending had increased from 12 billion Reichsmarks in 1928 to over 30 billion in 1939 - a difference of 15 billion Reichsmarks. From 1933 to 1939, the Nazi government always spent more than it earned so that by 1939, government debt stood at over 40 billion Resichsmarks. Balance of trade figures had gone into the red by 1939 by 0.1 billion Reichsmarks and that had nothing to do with the unfair reparations, the debt was due to hitler deciding he was no longer going to pay reparations but we kept adding the debt with interest .also didnt hitler leave the international monotary system? us we as the allies caused ww2 by the strict reparations we imposed on the german ppl after ww1 (a bit like what is happening now in britain ) every last penny was squeezed from the german ppl leaving them starving and living in unsanitary conditions with murder rape and robberys and not to forget the socialist hit squads that were roming germany killing anyone that didnt agree with there socialist views (funded by stalin to undermine germany to make it soft for invasion) and then you wonder why hitler came to power my origanal post was about atrocity's committed on both side but you chose to ignore the fact that churchill ordered the bombing of civilians so that hitler would switch to bombing citys not the airfields so that the airforce could rebuild and train new pilots. you also keep refering to the jews that hitler killed stalin killed more jews and more of his own ppl than hitler ever could and proberbly in a more brutal way but yet there was never an international call for him to be tried at the hague Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larde Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I tried, but... I swore to myself I'd ignore this thread after I put Scare on my ignore list...but I just couldn't resist coming back to it, after reading the above post: it just reminds so much of this :hihi: (with apologies to sensible types for the humour in bad taste) pmsl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthenekred Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 , as he seems to think only germany ever did propaganda,..... You won't get far on here or taken seriously if you ascribe something to someone that isn't true. This is a serious question though ron, i might be off topic but don't fancy starting a thread on this one... When I was a kid I realised I was propagandised by American films, me and my mates loved playing cowboy and Indians as a kid, the only downside to the game was that we could never convince enough to be indians.. My mates would say they would rather be the good guys... Yes, you're off topic and furthering a discussion in a schoolboy fashion by going off on silly tangents. Also "influenced" is the word you're looking for. and that had nothing to do with the unfair reparations, the debt was due to hitler deciding he was no longer going to pay reparations but we kept adding the debt with interest .also didnt hitler leave the international monotary system? us we as the allies caused ww2 by the strict reparations we imposed on the german ppl after ww1 (a bit like what is happening now in britain ) every last penny was squeezed from the german ppl leaving them starving and living in unsanitary conditions with murder rape and robberys and not to forget the socialist hit squads that were roming germany killing anyone that didnt agree with there socialist views (funded by stalin to undermine germany to make it soft for invasion) and then you wonder why hitler came to power my origanal post was about atrocity's committed on both side but you chose to ignore the fact that churchill ordered the bombing of civilians so that hitler would switch to bombing citys not the airfields so that the airforce could rebuild and train new pilots. you also keep refering to the jews that hitler killed stalin killed more jews and more of his own ppl than hitler ever could and proberbly in a more brutal way but yet there was never an international call for him to be tried at the hague You're drunk, still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scare Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 No ron, propaganda and influence could be used as the same word to describe western films, but obviously your not gonna answer that one then...you say it's schoolboy fashion but I did say when I was a kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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