Obelix Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 The universe has been proven to be flat. Sorry that should say that the evidence suggests the universe is flat. The WMAP data doesnt constrain it that severly unless you are referring to something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockjaw Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 This was my original post , i was only wanting some positive replies as to why people believe in God all i got was nasty comments from unbelievers ? can we get back on topic please ?? i only want personal experiences of faith not the angst of the unbeliever :@ Hiya psalm8318. I have attempted to engage with you without any "nasty comments". I asked you a question in response to a statement you made. Would you do me the courtesy of providing an answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I honestly don't know what to believe. I have a logical and technical mind, and I'm a lot closer to my demise than many people here. I would clearly like to believe in life after death, but I'm far from sure. But its the ultimate mystery. If we were all like those muslims that flew into the twin towers believing they were going to heaven for 40 virgins apiece, there would be nobody left on earth, at least no men. But look at the Universe, in all the known galaxy there is but one place known to have the mixture of air, water, and temperature to support billions of people and all things bright and beautiful. It's an imperfect balance of male and female in all species, some at home in the sky, under the water, and on land. It's an incredible piece of engineering, and I can't accept it as all due to evolution. So who created it? If anyone has a certain knowledge of it, let me know. I don't need theories, I've had a skinful of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fake Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 No it can't - there are many different types. Hilbert's Hotel is an example of how to visualise them. Hilberts example assumes that you can empty every odd room number. The trouble is that you cant do that as you will never be able to get to any last number because of the nature of infinity. Its a good mathematical exercise that requires you to assume that all odd numbered rooms can be emptied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Hilberts example assumes that you can empty every odd room number. The trouble is that you cant do that as you will never be able to get to any last number because of the nature of infinity. Its a good mathematical exercise that requires you to assume that all odd numbered rooms can be emptied. The argument fails though because you havent shown that you cannot get to the end of the list. If that was a necessary bar then infinity itself would be unworkable and so would your concept of say an infinite universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodmally Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Hiya psalm8318. I have attempted to engage with you without any "nasty comments". I asked you a question in response to a statement you made. Would you do me the courtesy of providing an answer? Since faith is a personal thing why does it need to be shared. Also since Psalm is a believer why do they need to know how others believe. I think thier comment was down to not liking the response they are getting. They are simply looking for pro faith comments to put in the next issue of watchtower. Also if my comment earlier about how many people has god killed upsets psalm then I am sorry I only quote the bible I didnt write it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fake Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 The argument fails though because you havent shown that you cannot get to the end of the list. If that was a necessary bar then infinity itself would be unworkable and so would your concept of say an infinite universe. I don't need to show that as the nature of infinity does that already. "To continue with no end" is usually how its defined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I submit that you don't perhaps understand infinity especially well, nor the points that Hilbert was making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANGELFIRE1 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I would like to believe in God, but I need some concrete EVIDENCE to prove it to me. Angel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regatta Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Why do you believe in God ,you could be of any religion or faith , for what reason did you come to have that faith or what makes you believe in God ? for me it is everything you see around you ie/ from flowers to the universe , the earth and how finely tuned it is with a protective shield , a water cycle ,Photosynthesis, the air we breath , nature etc these cause me to believe someone must have designed them . also the human mind how we have a capability to think beyond what we see , think beyond death and even think about this subject . The only person you should believe in is yourself, if you don't, your in a world of you know what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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