Strix Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 What kind of evidence would you deem suitable? ---------- Post added 27-02-2013 at 13:49 ---------- The ones sat outside my local pub for over two hours, getting absolutely inebriated, until five minutes before the match started weren't. and do you know if those people actually entered the ground? Liverpool's travelling supporters often go to a town without tickets, just to be part of the celebration afterwards. Occasionally there's a 'spare' ticket to be had, if they're lucky. My cousin is part of the supporters club, travels internationally to see his team, and once in a blue moon takes a punt on a trip without a ticket. He's been lucky a couple if times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem8634 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Seriously Fred. Have you ever seen drunken people at a football match before? If so, did 96 people die? Wish I'd put is as succinctly as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frededwards Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Third-party, credible, corroboration - something that substantiates your opinion. Opinion can't be corroborated, that's what makes it opinion. See the definition: Below. o·pin·ion [uh-pin-yuhn] noun 1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. 2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal. 3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion. 4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case. 5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem8634 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Opinion can't be corroborated, that's what makes it opinion. See the definition: Below. o·pin·ion [uh-pin-yuhn] noun 1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. 2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal. 3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion. 4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case. 5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion. Are you seriously resorting to semantics to try and bolster your position? Call it what you will. Can you back it up? So far you have failed to do so. and, as we all know... “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” ― Christopher Hitchens Edited February 27, 2013 by mikem8634 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlsforever Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 So...? and...? this is my point exactly. You saw a handful of fans, let's say a hundred, drinking outside a pub until 5 mins before kick off and have assumed that that is significant to the tragedy. Every investigation has looked at it in context and deemed that it is not. It is something that occurs at every major football match and is nothing out of the ordinary. Nobody has ever claimed that there were no drunk fans, or that some didn't turn up at the last minute - what has been claimed and proven is that there numbers were unremarkable for an event of this kind and played no significant part in the subsequent tragedy. Yes and the hundreds at other pubs around the area Matilda ,City Centre,Pheasant Inn Oughtibridge ,Fox at Stocksbridge Fox at foxhill etc etcLook at the statements it all added to the hundreds turning up late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frededwards Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Thank you. For a minute I thought I must have been halucinating that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem8634 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Yes and the hundreds at other pubs around the area Matilda ,City Centre,Pheasant Inn Oughtibridge ,Fox at Stocksbridge Fox at foxhill etc etcLook at the statements it all added to the hundreds turning up late Do you have any evidence that a) this actually happened? and b) if it did those fans actually went to the ground? and c) it made any significant contribution to the tragedy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frededwards Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 This is just going around in circles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlsforever Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Do you have any evidence that a) this actually happened? and b) if it did those fans actually went to the ground? and c) it made any significant contribution to the tragedy? Have you read the report? I give in ,yes I have , the statements are there for all to readLost the will now Bye:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem8634 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Thank you. For a minute I thought I must have been halucinating that day. I don't deny that you saw what you claim. Where I believe your logic falls down is the significance that you attach to what you saw when the evidence indicates the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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