I1L2T3 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Someone is guilty - just not been found to be in a court of law - that's how I see it It looks incredibly grim for the officer who claimed to be there and wasn't. Be interesting what the other officers are being disciplined for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 It looks incredibly grim for the officer who claimed to be there and wasn't. Be interesting what the other officers are being disciplined for. lying by the sound of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 It looks incredibly grim for the officer who claimed to be there and wasn't. Yup, Turnbulls rules don't really apply when there is a total lack of anyone on a CCTV picture. I'd love to see what his defence is going to be... Be interesting what the other officers are being disciplined for. Being caught I think is the technical term... As someone said above it does now sound like some people don't know when to stop digging. Mitchell makes a very credible witness and with the CCTV it's going to be getting expensive for someone in a libel case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hardie Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 As Mitchel said, he is perfectly willing to take the stand on oath and testify that he never uttered the word pleb as was reported in the officers log. He will ask the officer also to take the stand and swear on oath his version of events. I can't wait. Lying under oath in a court of law is a whole new ball game, and carries a long prison sentence. It remains to be seen how many police officers are prepared to do this and how many break ranks. I can see lost pensions and jail sentences if this runs much longer. But the trial won't be on the Jeremy Kyle Show, there won't be any lie detector tests (more's the pity). It is one man's word against another's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeMac Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Someone is guilty - just not been found to be in a court of law - that's how I see it Then you don't understand what guilty means in a legal sense. That's how I see it. ---------- Post added 26-11-2013 at 23:19 ---------- Be interesting what the other officers are being disciplined for. Making stuff up. Probably. Or, getting caught making stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptowngirl Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 But the trial won't be on the Jeremy Kyle Show, there won't be any lie detector tests (more's the pity). It is one man's word against another's. It certainly is. But then one man has to lie on oath. Would you? But before all that happens we have one officer charged with presenting a false account of the proceedings. The guy who claimed to have witnessed everything. I anticipate he will rather quickly explain why he came forward and how he knew what to report before the facts had made the press. In a nutshell who leaned on him. Who will blink first? Who will save their own skin by skinning the rest? This won't end without someone doing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Yup, Turnbulls rules don't really apply when there is a total lack of anyone on a CCTV picture. I'd love to see what his defence is going to be... Being caught I think is the technical term... As someone said above it does now sound like some people don't know when to stop digging. Mitchell makes a very credible witness and with the CCTV it's going to be getting expensive for someone in a libel case... This is a good overview of the decisions over prosecutions and disciplinaries: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/26/andrew-mitchell-plebgate-clash-police And for balance the same points repeated here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513763/One-police-officer-charged-misconduct-public-office-Plebgate-affair.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptowngirl Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Nobody is guilty yet. There haven't been any trials. One person has been charged though. We haven't seen any evidence of edited films as claimed by you either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 This is a good overview of the decisions over prosecutions and disciplinaries: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/26/andrew-mitchell-plebgate-clash-police And for balance the same points repeated here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513763/One-police-officer-charged-misconduct-public-office-Plebgate-affair.html Balancing the Guardian with the Daily Wail is just offensive to quality journalism. While the G is a little left leaning shall we say it's so far removed from the gutter that the Wail occupies that you'd need a ladder to get up to it's level. (you might have guessed I don't like the Daily Heil very much.) Interesting article, shall give it a once over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 We haven't seen any evidence of edited films as claimed by you either. Not me claiming it. It's the CPS. See the links I posted. ---------- Post added 27-11-2013 at 07:09 ---------- Balancing the Guardian with the Daily Wail is just offensive to quality journalism. While the G is a little left leaning shall we say it's so far removed from the gutter that the Wail occupies that you'd need a ladder to get up to it's level. (you might have guessed I don't like the Daily Heil very much.) Interesting article, shall give it a once over. It's essentially the same report in both. The same as what C4 stated. No hyperbole. No attempt at interpretation. Just a narrative of events and statements of facts relating to events yesterday. CPS statement: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10475473/CPS-Plebgate-statement-in-full.html The Evening Standard: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/plebgate-officer-charged-but-cps-says-no-proof-downing-street-gate-pc-lied-8964499.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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