discodown Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 It strikes me these days that whenever someone who is in in a responsible position says or does something that is not altogether responsible or expresses an opinion that is against the media or holds their position against popular belief people immediately spring to a kneejerk reaction of they should resign. It strikes me this shows a deplorable lack of imagination. Even if they resign it won't take back what they did. They won't alter their opinion and it won't change anything. Take the case of the chief whip who had a tantrum because they wouldn't open the gates for him to cycle through. How does him resigning change anything? It doesn't. He'll still be a brat. But he'll feel justified and hard done to because he's been forced to resign. What we need is a little imagination. So instead lets use a little courage and thoughtfulness in making people be sorry for the stupid things they do. Chief Whip should have been forced to service police bicycles for a weekend using rudimentary tools and been made to do it in his pants in the street and if it wasn't up to standard then he would have to do it again the following weekend. Sorry for behaving like a child when you're an adult doesn't cut it. Something more serious. The Police Chief who upset the Hillsborough families. They need restitution. Police chief needs to help the kids who have been left without parents/siblings etc because of Hillsborough in any way shape or form for 6 months without complaining. Making him resign teaches him nothing. Restitution might. What say you forum? Might it work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 The reason they should resign isn't because it will take back what they did, obviously it won't, it's that they have shown themselves to be unfit for the office they hold and so they should relinquish it. The police chief in question needs prosecuting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Even if they resign it won't take back what they did. They won't alter their opinion and it won't change anything. That's an argument against any MP resigning for anything, which would just allow MPs to carry on doing whatever they wanted to. If that principle had stuck during the MPs' expenses scandal they'd still be doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthenekred Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 It strikes me these days that whenever someone who is in in a responsible position says or does something that is not altogether responsible or expresses an opinion that is against the media or holds their position against popular belief people immediately spring to a kneejerk reaction of they should resign. It strikes me this shows a deplorable lack of imagination. Even if they resign it won't take back what they did. They won't alter their opinion and it won't change anything. Take the case of the chief whip who had a tantrum because they wouldn't open the gates for him to cycle through. How does him resigning change anything? It doesn't. He'll still be a brat. But he'll feel justified and hard done to because he's been forced to resign. What we need is a little imagination. So instead lets use a little courage and thoughtfulness in making people be sorry for the stupid things they do. Chief Whip should have been forced to service police bicycles for a weekend using rudimentary tools and been made to do it in his pants in the street and if it wasn't up to standard then he would have to do it again the following weekend. Sorry for behaving like a child when you're an adult doesn't cut it. Something more serious. The Police Chief who upset the Hillsborough families. They need restitution. Police chief needs to help the kids who have been left without parents/siblings etc because of Hillsborough in any way shape or form for 6 months without complaining. Making him resign teaches him nothing. Restitution might. What say you forum? Might it work? How very imaginative of you. Even if they fix a bike it won't remove or alter their opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discodown Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 The reason they should resign isn't because it will take back what they did, obviously it won't, it's that they have shown themselves to be unfit for the office they hold and so they should relinquish it. The police chief in question needs prosecuting. Having an opinion contrary to popular opinion or behaving in a childish manner on occasion doesn't mean you're unfit for office the rest of the time. It just means you've made an error. The rest of the time you could be very good at your job. Should we penalise regular people in this manner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 We do, if someone has an outburst like that at work then they could well be disciplined for it. If they have an opinion (and express it) that goes contrary to their company values or makes it difficult to work with customers then they could well be sacked. Obviously politicians are human and can make mistakes, they shouldn't have to resign for any mistake they make, but sometimes the mistakes are so large or of such a nature that it makes it clear that they shouldn't be in a responsible position of power. It's up to your judgement in each case whether they've reached this level, but if you believe they have then calling for them to resign is exactly the right thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kersplosh Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 The reason they should resign isn't because it will take back what they did, obviously it won't, it's that they have shown themselves to be unfit for the office they hold and so they should relinquish it. The police chief in question needs prosecuting. Well said Cyclone... my sentiment too ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discodown Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 We do, if someone has an outburst like that at work then they could well be disciplined for it. If they have an opinion (and express it) that goes contrary to their company values or makes it difficult to work with customers then they could well be sacked. Obviously politicians are human and can make mistakes, they shouldn't have to resign for any mistake they make, but sometimes the mistakes are so large or of such a nature that it makes it clear that they shouldn't be in a responsible position of power. It's up to your judgement in each case whether they've reached this level, but if you believe they have then calling for them to resign is exactly the right thing to do. In chief whips case he wasn't at work. What then? The thing is this knee jerk "he should resign" call is just getting tedious. It also won't resolve anything most of the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sibon Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Take the case of the chief whip who had a tantrum because they wouldn't open the gates for him to cycle through. How does him resigning change anything? It doesn't. He'll still be a brat. But he'll feel justified and hard done to because he's been forced to resign. What we need is a little imagination. So instead lets use a little courage and thoughtfulness in making people be sorry for the stupid things they do. Andrew Mitchell shouldn't have the option to resign. He needs sacking, as his conduct has made his position untenable. I suppose that he could be offered a new post as a bicycle repair man, if there is one going:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenRivers Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Andrew Mitchell shouldn't have the option to resign. He needs sacking, as his conduct has made his position untenable. I suppose that he could be offered a new post as a bicycle repair man, if there is one going:) In what way does swearing at a copper make him unfit to do his job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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