Jog on Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 The OP stated that the country is full of plebs, also that the government has called us all cretins. Well, if the whole country has nothing more important happening in their lives than to bicker about a MP calling one of our great nations renown crime fighters a pleb, then I have to agree with the government. Cretins, every last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Intellect and hard work won't ensure you succeed. The wealthiest in this country are wealthy through the fortune of good luck, being born to the landed gentry and inheriting stolen lands upon which rents are paid. The rest of the people are plebs. We disagree. 2/3 of the world's billionaires made their money from scratch. http://www.forbes.com/2007/06/22/billionaires-gates-winfrey-biz-cz_ts_0626rags2riches.html The same applies for the UK. I bet you really don't like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Obviously you are one of the Torys. Did you go to public school ?? Were you 'To the Manor Born' ???................or were you born on the Manor ?? You are still a Pleb mate, brainwashed but still a pleb... I am indeed one of the Tories - as are most sensible English voters outside of the embittered industrial left wong heartlands, like South Yorkshire. I was perhaps 10 or 12 when I realised that left wing politics are the misguided, if well-intentioned, beliefs of the naive. In todays terms what's a Plebian or a Patrician? I would claim to be neither if only the extremes of an empire's ruling class or its serfs are the options. I live neither in a mansion nor a hovel, I enjoy a real ale pub but have often shared a drink with Royals, I'm quite highly educated and know how to deport myself in titled company but I'm also comfortable chatting with ragamuffins, I've worked factory floor when younger and had responsibility for hundreds later. I am neither a Plebian nor a Patrician, I'm just a bloke who thinks all people have different ability and potential. I feel for anybody who thinks they can only be one of two extremes, especially if they think one is unobtainable and the other undesirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 I am indeed one of the Tories - as are most sensible English voters outside of the embittered industrial left wong heartlands, Like China Town in Manchester? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Like China Town in Manchester? Ah, a rather fortuitous error! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem1st Posted September 24, 2012 Author Share Posted September 24, 2012 We disagree. 2/3 of the world's billionaires made their money from scratch. http://www.forbes.com/2007/06/22/billionaires-gates-winfrey-biz-cz_ts_0626rags2riches.html The same applies for the UK. I bet you really don't like that. Logging on to the article the thought for the day was; When a man tells you he got rich through hard work, ask him, "Whose?" The article just gives a few examples. One being Bill Gates. http://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Myth-Government-Individuals-Businesses/dp/1609945069 The Self-Made Myth exposes the false claim that business success is the result of heroic individual effort with little or no outside help. Brian Miller and Mike Lapham bust the myth and present profiles of business leaders who recognize the public investments and supports that made their success possible—including Warren Buffett, Ben Cohen of Ben and Jerry’s, New Belgium Brewing CEO Kim Jordan, and others. The book also thoroughly demolishes the claims of supposedly self-made individuals such as Donald Trump and Ross Perot. How we view the creation of wealth and individual success is critical because it shapes our choices on taxes, regulation, public investments in schools and infrastructure, CEO pay, and more. It takes a village to raise a business—it’s time to recognize that fact. Bill Gates father is part author of the above book. But lets say he is entirely self made. He was never the richest man in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Logging on to the article the thought for the day was; When a man tells you he got rich through hard work, ask him, "Whose?" The article just ives a few examples. One being Bill Gates. http://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Myth-Government-Individuals-Businesses/dp/1609945069 Bill Gates father is part author of the above book. Nobody would claim that a man can become a billionaire on his own efforts alone - but without those entrepreneurs where would the jobs come from for the people they 'use'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tradescanthia Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 I am indeed one of the Tories - as are most sensible English voters outside of the embittered industrial left wong heartlands, like South Yorkshire. I was perhaps 10 or 12 when I realised that left wing politics are the misguided, if well-intentioned, beliefs of the naive. In todays terms what's a Plebian or a Patrician? I would claim to be neither if only the extremes of an empire's ruling class or its serfs are the options. I live neither in a mansion nor a hovel, I enjoy a real ale pub but have often shared a drink with Royals, I'm quite highly educated and know how to deport myself in titled company but I'm also comfortable chatting with ragamuffins, I've worked factory floor when younger and had responsibility for hundreds later. I am neither a Plebian nor a Patrician, I'm just a bloke who thinks all people have different ability and potential. I feel for anybody who thinks they can only be one of two extremes, especially if they think one is unobtainable and the other undesirable. Ok then you are an educated and quite eloquent pleb. Socialism is by no means the complete answer, but it does embrace the problems of the disadvantaged. I have seen life on all sides, as an employee, a small businessman for 14 years and now unfortunately, I am seeing life from a disabled point of view. I dont trust Cameron and the Torys, Cleggy is learning not to as well. Cameron is all 'spin', blaming everything bad on the disadvantaged . To me socialism is the lesser of two evils. BTW your Powerhouse link looks interesting. If you can make a living out of something you love then good on 'yer mate..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Logging on to the article the thought for the day was; When a man tells you he got rich through hard work, ask him, "Whose?" The article just gives a few examples. One being Bill Gates. http://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Myth-Government-Individuals-Businesses/dp/1609945069 Bill Gates father is part author of the above book. But lets say he is entirely self made. He was never the richest man in the world. Bill gates is a "pleb"; he is absolute small-fry compared to the Rothschilds and the other elite families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mapleboy Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Plebs and cretins they may well think we are. We plebs and cretins also have the vote. Perhaps our "betters" (oh, please, really they are NOT) would do well to remember that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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