Chris_Sleeps Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Yes, there are more who use the 2nd definition, both in real life, and, on the poll we did on this forum. Argumentum ad populum. I bet more people call a dolphin a fish, but it's still incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drone Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Drone was asking for the specifics, so I gave them. For your question the answer would be non believer. So your answer to the question -- Do you believe in god is NO, not lack of a belief then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 By 'narrow category' I was talking about that minority of atheists in the sceptical community who steadfastly maintain, despite all evidence and reason to the contrary, that 'atheist' doesn't mean both "without belief in God", and "belief that God does not exist". The you should really try to be clearer with your posts. Your comment was directly after mentioning the two definitions of atheism we have been discussing, indicating that your comment was about one of those... I'm an atheist, and I'm totally happy to acknowledge that there are 2 equally valid difinitions of 'atheism'- so, now you both know an atheist who does not align themselves with just the first definition. If you guys got out a bit more, you'd encounter many more atheists who don't fit into the narow category acknowledged by the 'sceptical' variety of atheist. Wow! Is that a sceptical community 'in-joke' you guys must have such fun at your meets No, it's a photoshopped image of Nicholas Cage. Which sceptical community do you think I'm part of and which "meets" do you think I attend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Argumentum ad populum. I bet more people call a dolphin a fish, but it's still incorrect. Dolphin aren't fish though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drone Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Dolphin aren't fish though. He says that their not You never answered my question...what do you describe yourself as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryedo40 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 That's cos they are. By believing it. During your original argument, you claimed an atheist who believes god doesn't exist is making a positive claim. I picked up on this because you are confusing belief with statements of fact. An atheist can believe a god doesn't exist without making the positive claim - as a statement of fact - that god does not exist. Because your argument was sloppy, I was trying to help you correct, or clarify, what you meant. So this: an atheist who believes God doesn't exist...is making a positive claim (God doesn't exist) Should have been replaced with something like this: as atheist who claims god does not exist is making a positive claim. It wouldn't, of course, have helped you much because, as others have pointed out, the rest of your argument is sloppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drone Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Dave, can you yourself make the positive claim that god Doesn't exist?..you should have really been asked that question at the beginning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 During your original argument, you claimed an atheist who believes god doesn't exist is making a positive claim. I picked up on this because you are confusing belief with statements of fact. An atheist can believe a god doesn't exist without making the positive claim - as a statement of fact - that god does not exist. Because your argument was sloppy, I was trying to help you correct, or clarify, what you meant. So this: an atheist who believes God doesn't exist...is making a positive claim (God doesn't exist) Should have been replaced with something like this: as atheist who claims god does not exist is making a positive claim. It wouldn't, of course, have helped you much because, as others have pointed out, the rest of your argument is sloppy. Like I've said a couple of times now- A totally different argument that I'm not going to get involved in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheeldave Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Dave, can you yourself make the positive claim that god Doesn't exist?..you should have really been asked that question at the beginning Anyone can claim God doesn't exist. It's not a claim I've made though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Dave, can you yourself make the positive claim that god Doesn't exist?..you should have really been asked that question at the beginning Anyone can claim God doesn't exist. It's not a claim I've made though. Me neither. Drone, what is your definition of "atheism" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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