gotone Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 What Islamic books? Can these Islamic books be verified by either offical Islamic sources or recognised historians? If so please share that information with us. I'm particularly interested in the source for Mohammad and his followers acts of ''mass murdering rapist slave trading plunderers'. Look it up, its all available online. go to Islamic sites. Timeline of Muhammad's Life (A.D) 570 - Born in Mecca 576 - Orphaned upon death of mother 595 - Marries Kadijah - older, wealthy widow 610 - Reports first revelations from angel at age of 40 619 - Protector uncle dies 622 - Emigrates from Mecca to Medina (the Hijra) 623 - Orders raids on Meccan caravans 624 - Battle of Badr (victory) 624 - Evicts Qaynuqa Jews from Medina 624 - Orders the assassination of Abu Afak 624 - Orders the assassination of Asma bint Marwan 624 - Orders the assassination of Ka'b al-Ashraf 625 - Battle of Uhud (defeat) 625 - Evicts Nadir Jews 627 - Battle of the Trench (victory) 627 - Massacre of the Qurayza Jews 628 - Signing of the Treaty of Hudaibiya with Mecca 628 - Destruction and subjugation of the Khaybar Jews 629 - Orders first raid into Christian lands at Muta (defeat) 630 - Conquers Mecca by surprise (along with other tribes) 631 - Leads second raid into Christian territory at Tabuk (no battle) 632 - Dies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaliRichard Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Look it up, its all available online. go to Islamic sites. Timeline of Muhammad's Life (A.D) 570 - Born in Mecca 576 - Orphaned upon death of mother 595 - Marries Kadijah - older, wealthy widow 610 - Reports first revelations from angel at age of 40 619 - Protector uncle dies 622 - Emigrates from Mecca to Medina (the Hijra) 623 - Orders raids on Meccan caravans 624 - Battle of Badr (victory) 624 - Evicts Qaynuqa Jews from Medina 624 - Orders the assassination of Abu Afak 624 - Orders the assassination of Asma bint Marwan 624 - Orders the assassination of Ka'b al-Ashraf 625 - Battle of Uhud (defeat) 625 - Evicts Nadir Jews 627 - Battle of the Trench (victory) 627 - Massacre of the Qurayza Jews 628 - Signing of the Treaty of Hudaibiya with Mecca 628 - Destruction and subjugation of the Khaybar Jews 629 - Orders first raid into Christian lands at Muta (defeat) 630 - Conquers Mecca by surprise (along with other tribes) 631 - Leads second raid into Christian territory at Tabuk (no battle) 632 - Dies I have looked it up, in fact I'm sat here now at my desk putting together a short biography of Mohammad's life for a book I'm writing. That's why I asked you specifically Can these Islamic books be verified by either offical Islamic sources or recognised historians? That means can you verify what you are saying in context from the Quran, hadith that do not contradict the Quran or through actual historic records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Live how Jesus lived today, WHAT WOULD THE RESULT BE? Nobody knows the history of Jesus. He's barely even noted. Not within Roman history or Jewish history. His story was built by his followers, and is mostly myth. The problem Muhammed has here is that he was a real person and did real things that human beings do; like get married and build armies. Christianity when translated into a real world of fighting for power was equally as capable invading foreign lands and killing people. To compare an idealised Christ with the real world of Islam is not a fare comparison. All religion has the ability to be brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted October 8, 2012 Author Share Posted October 8, 2012 Nobody knows the history of Jesus. He's barely even noted. Not within Roman history or Jewish history. His story was built by his followers, and is mostly myth. The problem Muhammed has here is that he was a real person and did real things that human beings do; like get married and build armies. Christianity when translated into a real world of fighting for power was equally as capable invading foreign lands and killing people. To compare an idealised Christ with the real world of Islam is not a fare comparison. All religion has the ability to be brutal. To quote another poster- How dare you interupt this thread with facts??? How very dare you?!?!?! Incidentally before others start moaning again about me 'defending Islam'-I was brought up in a seriously Christian household, not the lite version that gets trotted out for Xmas, weddings, christenings and funerals but the proper "let's follow the scripture" variety. It's for that reason I'm no longer a believer (in any religion) because the hypocrisy, inconsistencies and fallacy that becomes apparent from studying it is quite nauseating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotone Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I have looked it up, in fact I'm sat here now at my desk putting together a short biography of Mohammad's life for a book I'm writing. That's why I asked you specifically Can these Islamic books be verified by either offical Islamic sources or recognised historians? That means can you verify what you are saying in context from the Quran, hadith that do not contradict the Quran or through actual historic records. Here you go http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotone Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) Nobody knows the history of Jesus. He's barely even noted. Not within Roman history or Jewish history. His story was built by his followers, and is mostly myth. The problem Muhammed has here is that he was a real person and did real things that human beings do; like get married and build armies. Christianity when translated into a real world of fighting for power was equally as capable invading foreign lands and killing people. To compare an idealised Christ with the real world of Islam is not a fare comparison. All religion has the ability to be brutal. Compare to two men as they are known now, not the religion the men. Look how one then the other lived. My point stands. Edited October 8, 2012 by gotone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickisteel Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 get rid of christianity then they wont be able to call it a holy war and you can get rid of them all the diseases removed in one clever step Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted October 8, 2012 Author Share Posted October 8, 2012 Compare to two men as they are known now, not the religion the men. Look how one the the other lived. My point stands. But you're comparing ancient fantasies, it'd be more instructive to compare Linda Lovelace to Mary Millington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaliRichard Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 To quote another poster- How dare you interupt this thread with facts??? How very dare you?!?!?! Incidentally before others start moaning again about me 'defending Islam'-I was brought up in a seriously Christian household, not the lite version that gets trotted out for Xmas, weddings, christenings and funerals but the proper "let's follow the scripture" variety. It's for that reason I'm no longer a believer (in any religion) because the hypocrisy, inconsistencies and fallacy that becomes apparent from studying it is quite nauseating. Yes I get that alot too. Like you, I'm not defending Islam, just putting forward an alternative viewpoint to the often very one sided ideas we get presented with day in and day out by people who's idea of Islam is regurgitating a small number of misrepresented nutters on the news and in the press. I'm not a Muslim, there are many aspects of Islam I don't agree with, but everything I disagree with comes from Islam, not some third party with an axe to grind against it or an agenda to push from 'within' it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotone Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 But you're comparing ancient fantasies, it'd be more instructive to compare Linda Lovelace to Mary Millington. Amish and Taliban more like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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