Slaughter of first-borns could save £50bn in Child Benefit, pledges Cameron

[ECCOnoob]

Yes as per usual polls mean nothing.

 

Basically as always what it actually means is 15% more people who could be arsed to respond to some bod with a clipboard would support labour more than the cons.

 

Maybe there are more labour supporters out and about in the daytime eh?

 

Maybe there are more labour supporters who are the type of people who actually stop and speak to bods with a clipboard eh?

 

Either it shows nothing relevant.

[wednesday1]

Yes as per usual polls mean nothing.

 

Basically as always what it actually means is 15% more people who could be arsed to respond to some bod with a clipboard would support labour more than the cons.

 

Maybe there are more labour supporters out and about in the daytime eh?

 

Maybe there are more labour supporters who are the type of people who actually stop and speak to bods with a clipboard eh?

 

Either it shows nothing relevant.

 

 

Well thanks for such an insightful reply!

[Badlittlepup]

Jonathan Swift did this much better 300 years ago:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

 

Total, unoriginal rip off

[willman]

Some people might choose that life. A lot of them might not have much choice. The options aren't that great, for a lot of reasons.

 

If you're on low wages and not happy then stop moaning get yourself better wages. After all that's the same kind of argument you're using against benefit claimants. Or don't you have good options in the current economy?

 

People on low wages may not be moaning, just living to their means unfortunately those who choose unemployment are living to the extent of freebies without doing anything.

 

The current economic climate has never been better for people with good job skills that are transferable.

[Stoatwobbler]

Yes, the Coalition is literally slaughtering children.

 

Under hyperbole in the dictionary it says "see Stoatwobbler".

 

There's plenty of real things you could be criticizing The Boy David for.

 

Or is research too much like hard work?

 

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSH

 

That's the sound of satire flying straight over Vague_Boy's head.

[Stoatwobbler]

If you have to make up the news to attack your political adversaries, you have already failed! Muppet!

 

Bit rich coming from anybody who thinks the Daily Mail is a reliable news source.

 

Might as well go for a bit of satire, even though our politicians are frequently beyond parody.

[Stoatwobbler]

Jonathan Swift did this much better 300 years ago:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

 

Total, unoriginal rip off

 

True. The main defence being that politicians at the moment seem very keen to turn the clock back 300 years.

[Ms Macbeth]

I can well believe that employers like foreign workers. If you want a workforce that will work for peanuts, not expect any rights, and still think they have struck gold then of course employers are going to like that. It only remains possible to keep it going when there is an endless supply of cheap labour. And if you think about where that labour will come from then you'll understand that talk of curtailing immigration is only window dressing - the Tories won't do it because businesses won't like it.

 

Whilst I appreciate you don't want to read the DM, the interviews with these employers paint an interesting picture and show their employees don't all work for peanuts:

 

From Charlie Mullins who runs a plumbing business: He said the number of foreign-born workers he employed at the company, London’s largest independent plumbers, had doubled in the past two years to 40, or 20 per cent of his staff. They are mostly from South Africa and work as plumbers and tradesmen, roles which command annual salaries between £50,000 and £70,000.

 

Or from Keith Abel, an organic greengrocer: He said his company could not recruit young British people to work for £7.25-an-hour as delivery drivers and that some young British people on benefits would rather receive handouts than work. He also said: The point is, the better-paid work comes for the people who start on the lower-paid work. There must be a solution whereby the Government is able to wean people off benefits rather than shut them off completely when somebody goes into a job.’

 

I grew up in an era when it was understood that most jobs had menial and boring elements, at least to start with, but the clue was in the word 'start'. Start at the bottom and there may be opportunities. Never start, and there are none.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062504/UK-unemployment-Meet-British-bosses-say-foreign-workers-time.html

[I1L2T3]

Whilst I appreciate you don't want to read the DM, the interviews with these employers paint an interesting picture and show their employees don't all work for peanuts:

 

From Charlie Mullins who runs a plumbing business: He said the number of foreign-born workers he employed at the company, London’s largest independent plumbers, had doubled in the past two years to 40, or 20 per cent of his staff. They are mostly from South Africa and work as plumbers and tradesmen, roles which command annual salaries between £50,000 and £70,000.

 

Or from Keith Abel, an organic greengrocer: He said his company could not recruit young British people to work for £7.25-an-hour as delivery drivers and that some young British people on benefits would rather receive handouts than work. He also said: The point is, the better-paid work comes for the people who start on the lower-paid work. There must be a solution whereby the Government is able to wean people off benefits rather than shut them off completely when somebody goes into a job.’

 

I grew up in an era when it was understood that most jobs had menial and boring elements, at least to start with, but the clue was in the word 'start'. Start at the bottom and there may be opportunities. Never start, and there are none.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062504/UK-unemployment-Meet-British-bosses-say-foreign-workers-time.html

 

You can't be suggesting that a lot of immigrants are coming here to earn £50-70k, can you? I would suggest that is exceptional.

 

As for the £7.25/hour there would be plenty of people willing to work for that. You have to question what is wrong with the working conditions Mr Abel's firm is offering.

 

Also, the right can't seem to make up their mind whether the immigrants are coming here for high paid work or to get paid benefits.

[SevenRivers]

True. The main defence being that politicians at the moment seem very keen to turn the clock back 300 years.

 

More hyperbole or do you actually believe that?