PeteMorris Posted October 19, 2012 Author Share Posted October 19, 2012 Well maybe his minister and the press should keep their nose out until the PM is actually ready to announce with a full proposal. Its pathetic. That's the problem with nearly all of these things. A politician, company, director, minister or whatever make a suggestion, has an idea, a thought, a proposal, a discussion, a think tank...... and before anything is even pencilled out - suddenly its splashed all over the papers, all over twitter and everyone is talking about, commenting and criticising about something THAT DOES NOT ACTUALLY EXIST. It infuriates me when a mere suggestion is mutted and the media have huge debate - asking for opinion, asking for comment and even giving their own verdict on something that is barely even a paper draft. They are all complaining they weren't forewarned. SO WHAT? Its just an idea, a possibility, a suggestion. Nothing set in stone. Nothing drafted. Talk about an ego trip. What's it got to do with them until it actually becomes an official policy? Well according to 'Dave'....It's a bit more than an idea! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19986929 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 It's a stupid idea, which it why it's just another U-Turn by Disasterous Dave. How many is that now? I lost count when it reached about 15 in 12 months. Competition was supposed to drive down prices but we all know it's a con. (I know people are going to say, "But if it wasn't for competition, how do you know prices won't be higher? blah blah blah, it's pathetic). Not only that, offering lower prices is against the tory policy of greed, is unenforceable and will cost them votes, and besides the bottom line is that the lowest tariff is already far too expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaximus Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Energy companies rely on sales at different prices with the highest price paid by people that can’t be bothered to look for a lower price, subsidising the lower price paid by those people that actively look for the cheapest deal. I get the feeling the lower prices will just disappear and we will all end up paying an average price, some people will end up paying less whilst other pay more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frededwards Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 So what's your bright idea then? Its understood that there are approx 400 different tarrifs between the big 6 suppliers. All those slick salesmen and saleswomen get you on the phone talk nonsense to you and persuade you onto whatever tarrif suits them, card payment, token payment, standard, peak, off peak, night storage, duel fuel discount, direct debit discount, pre-payment discount, commercial users, student house..... Cut the crap and enforce the companies to offer the lowest rate by default. I think its a perfectly sensible proposal. (lets not forget thats all it is at this stage) What is so wrong with that? Lets face it - the only reason labour are slagging it off it because they are in the opposition corner and never thought of it first. If they were in power you can bet your arse they would be parading the idea too as consumer champions. Proper, strict regulation of the energy market. The free market is not working as the six major suppliers are acting as a de facto cartel, and raising prices en masse by near identical amounts. Cameron’s proposal will only result in the energy companies raising their cheaper tariffs to a point where most customers end up paying more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaximus Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Proper, strict regulation of the energy market. The free market is not working as the six major suppliers are acting as a de facto cartel, and raising prices en masse by near identical amounts. Cameron’s proposal will only result in the energy companies raising their cheaper tariffs to a point where most customers end up paying more. Could that because they all sell the same gas and when gas goes up they are all equally affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteMorris Posted October 19, 2012 Author Share Posted October 19, 2012 Could that because they all sell the same gas and when gas goes up they are all equally affected. It's a well known and quite well documented fact that energy companies have to buy the same product from wherever, but it's also well documented that when the price does go up, they raise it for the consumer, almost immediately, but when the wholesale price drops, it takes them months and months to lower it. And it's never lowered back to it's original price, there's always a 'margin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The energy companies should be taken back into public ownership and no compensation given to the share holders.What, so the taxpayers end up having to foot the whole bill for the nuclear power stations which the UK will have to build over the next few years? Thanks but no thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frededwards Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Could that because they all sell the same gas and when gas goes up they are all equally affected. The actual gas and oil itself is only a part of the costs that the companies incur in delivering the gas or generating the electricity. There is so much money wasted within the oil and gas industry that they could easily cut their overheads if there was a will. When the power industry was privatised, we were sold the lie that free market competition would lead to keener pricing, this has proven not to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaximus Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The actual gas and oil itself is only a part of the costs that the companies incur in delivering the gas or generating the electricity. There is so much money wasted within the oil and gas industry that they could easily cut their overheads if there was a will. When the power industry was privatised, we were sold the lie that free market competition would lead to keener pricing, this has proven not to be so. How do you know? What would the price of electricity and gas be if it had never been privatised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frededwards Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Sometimes I wonder why I bother with this forum, it's full of idiots like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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