truman Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Let's see who they will blame when there are not enough teachers [devil's advocate] so you want quantity not quality?[/devil's advocate] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Macbeth Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Well thats the world we live in, look for scapegoats and apportion blame, it's OK when it suits peoples agendas though eh I like it when people on here use Daily Mail links when so many posters choose to dismiss DM stories when it suits them too Surely its what's in the link that is important rather than where it came from? If people don't want to read or believe the first one, here's an alternative from the BBC : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20043225 And a quote from that one: Mr Allen said: "I work with my secondary heads and they say that the raw material they are sent at age 11 is not good enough, therefore I go on to my primary heads and they say children arrive at school unable to read or recognise the difference between a letter or a number, they arrive sometimes in nappies, unable to speak in a sentence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Macbeth Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Good points!......it has long been known that lots of kids farmed out from an early age so that parents can pay for modern consumption habits, grow up illiterate and rebellious many finishing up in dud Uni courses and some would you believe becoming teachers! I have one of those teachers in my family! My nephew is a history teacher, even after spending some of his early years with a childminder. His dud uni was St Andrews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_W Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Surely its what's in the link that is important rather than where it came from? If people don't want to read or believe the first one, here's an alternative from the BBC : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20043225 And a quote from that one: Mr Allen said: "I work with my secondary heads and they say that the raw material they are sent at age 11 is not good enough, therefore I go on to my primary heads and they say children arrive at school unable to read or recognise the difference between a letter or a number, they arrive sometimes in nappies, unable to speak in a sentence." my bold I agree wholeheartedly ! I was just trying to make a point about how dismissive some are on here about DM links ...... when it suits them of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 [devil's advocate] so you want quantity not quality?[/devil's advocate] So you want class sizes of 70 or 80 because they're aren't enough teachers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Most pupils have no concept about either,but their parents do, as is usually obvious at parent evenings.If there is a debt involved with education and it prevents people going to Uni. Did they really want to go in the first place? Parents have no trouble(in some cases) encouraging debt for cars but seem a little vexed at debt for enhancement of their children.The only people troubled by debt are those who assume they're not going to achieve some higher paid job, if thats the case then they have a problem with aspirations anyway. I can only speak from personal experience but - a boy encouraged by parents to be a professional rugby player(for the money and kudos)who then has a change of heart to get a job earning money now.By following his parents career path he left school with nothing and has nothing. A daughter encouraged by friends(me) to go to Uni,opts for "college" to do a course in the boom industry of sport,before sitting exams she has now dropped out to be an office worker. They took the EMA whilst studying and then chased the easiest option for cash in the short term. Thats a societal issue not a teacher one. It's interesting that many parents in the USA start to save for their child's education as soon as possible, whereas here in the UK many parent's seem to wash their hands of taking responsibility for their child's education, especially after their child has reached 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 So you want class sizes of 70 or 80 because they're aren't enough teachers? What's worse, a rubbish teacher who can't manage 30 kids or a good one who can manage larger classes..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 What's worse, a rubbish teacher who can't manage 30 kids or a good one who can manage larger classes..? Teachers struggle to manage things as they are now, regardless of their personal ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Teachers struggle to manage things as they are now, regardless of their personal ability. Not all...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Talk about pot calling kettle....I'd question the low aspirations of this government who seem to think that their only role is to be ring master for big business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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