Conrod Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I don't know. We've benefitted a lot from immigrants in the past, so who can put a figure on it. They are what made this country what it is. What is your number, by the way? We've benefitted in some ways. 'My number' is approximately minus two million, if you're asking how many more immigrants we should allow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 If they're claiming benefits they're not working hard enough. There are always more hours available for people with low skills/hourly income to take a second job rather than claim benefits. If people are working and claiming benefits then it's more likely that the jobs available are not paid well enough or do not offer enough hours to meet the (rapidly escalating) basic costs of living. You don't seem to live in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 In between your working hours just like the millions of working people do now. Not everyone works full time hours with one job. Plenty of people have got more than enough capacity to do a second job and/or overtime hours if they CHOOSE to. The state does not owe you a lifestyle. You pay your own way in this world. My mother worked 14 hour shifts for the GPO 5 days out of 7 and still had plenty of time to raise 4 of us and run a home. There was no bleeting on about time to "interact with their children" "time to eat" nonsense. They worked to bring money into the home. Nobody else was going to be paying for our upkeep. Why the hell should they. No child tax credit, working tax credits, EMA, income support allowance...etc..etc.. back then. Somehow we all managed to be raised perfectly well. Ah, but your mother was a proud hard-working woman willing to raise her own family, not a lazy sponger. Damn her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sibon Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 We've benefitted in some ways. 'My number' is approximately minus two million, if you're asking how many more immigrants we should allow. We've benefitted in every way. How many UK motorcyle manufacturers remain, for example. So. You want to kick 2 000 000 people out of the country. How are you going to choose them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 If people are working and claiming benefits then it's more likely that the jobs available are not paid well enough or do not offer enough hours to meet the (rapidly escalating) basic costs of living. You don't seem to live in the real world. All jobs are paid well eough to reward the skills needed to do them. Low-skilled people need to accept a low standard of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 We've benefitted in every way. How many UK motorcyle manufacturers remain, for example. So. You want to kick 2 000 000 people out of the country. How are you going to choose them? Ok, make that 4 million, we can start with last in first out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 In between your working hours just like the millions of working people do now. Not everyone works full time hours with one job. Plenty of people have got more than enough capacity to do a second job and/or overtime hours if they CHOOSE to. The state does not owe you a lifestyle. You pay your own way in this world. My mother worked 14 hour shifts for the GPO 5 days out of 7 and still had plenty of time to raise 4 of us and run a home. There was no bleeting on about time to "interact with their children" "time to eat" nonsense. They worked to bring money into the home. Nobody else was going to be paying for our upkeep. Why the hell should they. No child tax credit, working tax credits, EMA, income support allowance...etc..etc.. back then. Somehow we all managed to be raised perfectly well. The state should have some role in controlling basic costs of living, for blindingly obvious reasons. Housing costs, utilities costs, childcare costs are examples. Three areas where households/families are being hammered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sibon Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Ok, make that 4 million, we can start with last in first out. And when you've started by kicking the Norwegians out. What will you do next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 The state should have some role in controlling basic costs of living, for blindingly obvious reasons. Housing costs, utilities costs, childcare costs are examples. Three areas where households/families are being hammered. So, left wingers want minimum wage to be raised, then they want childcare costs to be lowered. Is that just have cake and eat it? Or is it just another case of expecting the hard-working/talented to subsidise the lazy/dim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 And when you've started by kicking the Norwegians out. What will you do next?If you can show us 4 million Norwegian immigrants to the UK, I'll answer that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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