I1L2T3 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I would love to know what consists of a "basic standard of living". What does that mean exactly? All this is a very grey area. National averages are generally meaningless because of the london exaggeration which is nearly always ignored by the media when they are broadcasting/publshing their sensationalist articles. Also these figures have about as much validity as a total scribbled on a fag packet. Depending on which media outlet you use it can be anything from £19k - £36k a year for this mythical "average family" with thier "basic lifestyle" It will include food, housing, light, heat, council tax, phone, travel, footwear, clothing, insurances, childcare, incidentals (e.g. prescriptions) and most likely a very limited amount for entertainment. What else do you think it will include? I'm surprised at the £36k figure, but not at the £26k one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sibon Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 So you saying we have a menacing underclass because people are not being paid enough. What complete BS. I am indeed saying that. It has been coming for 30 years. What do you think that the unskilled will do when they can't make ends meet? I've worked every day of my adult life. Every single day, I'm delighted to have the health and talent to hold down a great job. I never forget how lucky I am though, and I never resent others getting help when they need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem1st Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 You make do and bloody get over it. You work your arse off to earn your way out of it. Because history has shown us that injustice leads to vibrant economies with high employment and prosperity Pull the other one. They will riot again, although maybe not on the spur of the moment. You keep them subjugated long enough and they will organise and rebel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 pure troll...No petal it's reality. The world works on a balance, and that includes paying only what things are worth. If you pay more for something than it's worth, you upset that balance, and you go bust. The same applies to over-paying the under-skilled. We've got it badly wrong now, which is why we're losing trade to overseas competitors who don't have to overpay their unskilled workers. Meanwhile, we sit back in the UK happy that people with no skills or earning potential can afford computers and Iphones while our national debt is exploding as a result. Ain't socialism grand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 You're a dreamer. How do we bring housing costs down? It's a market economy, demand outstrips availability so prices are high. There are too many people in the UK. Do we tarmac the entire country and build houses everywhere? Utility companies pay for their gas and have to charge it out - can we force the Russians to drop their prices when fossil fuels are becoming inceasingly rare? Child care is provided by people who are paid a wage. Should carers be an exception to the minumum wage farce so it becomes affordable? No; if people can't afford kids, they shouldn't be allowed to have them. That way we support evolution. Good lord. I know it's late but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southcoast Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Im afraid those who have had a confortable life living off the backs of the rest of us is coming to a end and not before time,you have to pay your own way in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I am indeed saying that. It has been coming for 30 years. What do you think that the unskilled will do when they can't make ends meet? I've worked every day of my adult life. Every single day, I'm delighted to have the health and talent to hold down a great job. I never forget how lucky I am though, and I never resent others getting help when they need it. I dont resent others getting help when they need it. If you are TEMPORARILLY unemployed or have some disability. Society needs to be there for you. I get that. I have no problem with that. But those "unskilled" who simply have a lower income job will need to have a very harsh lesson in what really counts as being poor. I bet at least 80% dont even know the meaning of the word. That im afraid is a reflection of these times. We are a consumer society alright. Dont ever try and justify having to live close to the line as a legitimate excuse for crime. Is complete horse crap. Thousands of people have lived with nothing. Had to scrimp and count the pennies even to afford a few groceries each week. They still managed to live without resorting to crime. Nothing what is happening now or even in the near future will be anything that has not happened before. Ever looked at domestic life in 60s and 70s. How about the post war 50s when hardly any women worked. Do you know how many households had one working member? Do you know how many households had to survive on a very miniscule budget? They didn't have to resort to crime. If those "unskilled" think that they have it hard with all the wares of modern society round them - they have no idea. Like I keep saying.... there is a big difference between what people actually need and think or are even encouraged into thinking they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 No petal it's reality. The world works on a balance, and that includes paying only what things are worth. If you pay more for something than it's worth, you upset that balance, and you go bust. The same applies to over-paying the under-skilled. We've got it badly wrong now, which is why we're losing trade to overseas competitors who don't have to overpay their unskilled workers. Meanwhile, we sit back in the UK happy that people with no skills or earning potential can afford computers and Iphones while our national debt is exploding as a result. Ain't socialism grand? We do have it badly wrong. Living costs are too high and that is a major drag on the economy. And it makes our workers too expensive. One of the best articles on this for a while: http://www.moneyweek.com/investments/property/uk/property-market-britains-biggest-economic-disadvantage-61200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 We do have it badly wrong. Living costs are too high and that is a major drag on the economy. And it makes our workers too expensive. One of the best articles on this for a while: http://www.moneyweek.com/investments/property/uk/property-market-britains-biggest-economic-disadvantage-61200 People can live cheaply enough if they don't expect luxuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem1st Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Im afraid those who have had a confortable life living off the backs of the rest of us is coming to a end and not before time,you have to pay your own way in life. Those living from property rents and interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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