The Abu Hamza deportation thread

[Wildcat]

Yes, they do.

 

Clearly not since the decision on nationality discounted that argument.

 

Egyptian dual nationality laws are there for a reason, one I hope you understand.

 

Do you understand why they are the way they are?

 

Yes, to create clarity on what state someone belongs to.

 

In this case and on the basis of all the evidence that is the UK.

[Wildcat]

Did you miss this bit,

 

The Home Office argued that there was no documentation to prove he was no longer an Egyptian national and though he was once denied an Egyptian passport, he was later allowed one.

 

He didn't claim the nationality they de facto revoked in 1982 though did he?

[retep]

He didn't claim the nationality they de facto revoked in 1982 though did he?

 

At the risk of the forum being bombarded with wiki links, can you let the authorities know.

[andygardener]

Clearly not since the decision on nationality discounted that argument.

 

 

 

Yes, to create clarity on what state someone belongs to.

 

In this case and on the basis of all the evidence that is the UK.

 

OK, you clearly haven't read the judgement and even more so don't understand the reasons for this particular Egyptian law.

 

The law is there to prevent Egyptian Jewish emigrants to Israel from retaining Egyptian citizenship. Hence the reason that despite being a draft dodger and not having up front permission as an arab muslim Hamza was retrospectively granted dual citizenship. It's a law designed for a single purpose hence outside of that purpose it's highly flexible. The way the law is drafted makes this even clearer. There is no automatic removal of citizenship for taking another nationality, it merely makes it allowable for the Interior Minister to strike out your citizenship, which must be recorded in the gazette.

 

This never happened. Hamza is still Egyptian.

[Berberis]

OK, you clearly haven't read the judgement and even more so don't understand the reasons for this particular Egyptian law.

 

The law is there to prevent Egyptian Jewish emigrants to Israel from retaining Egyptian citizenship. Hence the reason that despite being a draft dodger and not having up front permission as an arab muslim Hamza was retrospectively granted dual citizenship. It's a law designed for a single purpose hence outside of that purpose it's highly flexible. The way the law is drafted makes this even clearer. There is no automatic removal of citizenship for taking another nationality, it merely makes it allowable for the Interior Minister to strike out your citizenship, which must be recorded in the gazette.

 

This never happened. Hamza is still Egyptian.

 

Wildcat is an expert on everything, didn't you know that?

[Billy Casper]

At the end of all the debate..he hates the UK and it's way of life...therefore, if he despises our way of life so much, then he can always leave of his own accord. Hmmm...maybe he likes our freebies though?

[Berberis]

At the end of all the debate..he hates the UK and it's way of life...therefore, if he despises our way of life so much, then he can always leave of his own accord. Hmmm...maybe he likes our freebies though?

 

According to reports, more then £100,000 worth of freebies so far.

[Wildcat]

OK, you clearly haven't read the judgement and even more so don't understand the reasons for this particular Egyptian law.

 

The law is there to prevent Egyptian Jewish emigrants to Israel from retaining Egyptian citizenship. Hence the reason that despite being a draft dodger and not having up front permission as an arab muslim Hamza was retrospectively granted dual citizenship. It's a law designed for a single purpose hence outside of that purpose it's highly flexible. The way the law is drafted makes this even clearer. There is no automatic removal of citizenship for taking another nationality, it merely makes it allowable for the Interior Minister to strike out your citizenship, which must be recorded in the gazette.

 

This never happened. Hamza is still Egyptian.

 

The Special Immigration Appeals Commission says otherwise.

 

And as I said before errors made in the gazette don't require recording. And furthermore the Egyptian Government doesn't need to publish revokation of citizenship in the Gazette, General Afify testified to that effect himself.

 

The state owned Newspaper Al-Ahram published this:

 

Abu Hamza Al-Masri is not an Egyptian national

Official Egyptian sources said that Mustafa Kamil, known as Abu Hamza Al-Masri-, who is being detained at Belmarsh detention centre in South London, does not carry official Egyptian passport. He was stripped of his nationality after he was granted a British nationality and his failure to inform the concerned authorities in Egypt.

 

The judgement:

http://www.siac.tribunals.gov.uk/Documents/Hamzaopenpreliminaryissuejudgment05112010.pdf

[harvey19]

Loyalty to a country should be the deciding factor in granting citizenship.

[andygardener]

The Special Immigration Appeals Commission says otherwise.

 

And as I said before errors made in the gazette don't require recording. And furthermore the Egyptian Government doesn't need to publish revokation of citizenship in the Gazette, General Afify testified to that effect himself.

 

The state owned Newspaper Al-Ahram published this:

 

 

 

The judgement:

http://www.siac.tribunals.gov.uk/Documents/Hamzaopenpreliminaryissuejudgment05112010.pdf

And then we come to the actual facts:-

 

Article 22

All decrees concerning obtaining, withdrawing, stripping, restoring or restituting the Egyptian nationality, shall take effect from the date of their issuance. They shall also be published in the official journal within 30 days from the date of their issuance. This shall not affect third parties of good will.

All rulings issued in nationality matters shall be considered as a proof for all, and their pronouncement shall be published in the official journal.”

 

Quite clear I hope you will agree and in direct contradiction to your lie that they do not need to be published?