ECCOnoob Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 When will people get into their heads there is far more to the licence fee than just Strictly Come Dancing and Eastenders. ALL of the bbc tv stations, ALL of the bbc national and local radio, online services, non profit digital UK which was a major factor to our wonderful freeview system, channel 4 takes a snip from it as does ITN which, guess what, is part of ITV PLC. There is also all the stuff people never see, all the hard infrastructure tto actually send and receive broadcasts, mobile broadcasting, emergency systems used by ALL the channels. That all has to be paid for and maintained. Its not all funded by the advertisers you know. Money from the licence fee has also gone into digital radio and community access television too. As plenty of others have said. You are not just paying for the BBC. You are paying for a licence to receive television signals to your home. If you dont want to pay it, dont own a tv and just stick to having the internet or DVDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 You miss the point. You have no choice over paying for a variety of services that are essential for a civillised society. I'm suggesting that the BBC falls into that category. I disagree with that last statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dosxuk Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Well as I said before - those that wish to pay for it are more than welcome to do so. The problem is everyone else that is forced to do so. No you aren't. You're being forced to pay for the right to recieve broadcast television. Nothing more. The fact that that money is mostly sent to the BBC is completely seperate to your requirement to have that licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnvqsos Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 No you aren't. You're being forced to pay for the right to recieve broadcast television. Nothing more. The fact that that money is mostly sent to the BBC is completely seperate to your requirement to have that licence. How much of the fee goes to fund independent news on the ITV?I know Sky receive a small percentage to cover some of their educational work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 No you aren't. You're being forced to pay for the right to recieve broadcast television. Nothing more. But why? Why do I need to pay to get permission to have a television? They won't say no, so I cannot see the point if this is the reason for the licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 But why? Why do I need to pay to get permission to have a television?How many times... You don't pay to get permission to have a TV. You pay to get permission to receive broadcasts in a particular spectrum (that in which TV signals are broadcast). For some other spectra (e.g. in which FM or AM radio signals are broadcast), the licensing requirement is on the broadcasters (radio stations), not the receivers (radio listeners). Etc. It's more or less the same principle as those mega-£££s mobile communication licenses (3G, 4G, etc) which mobile operators need to buy from the Gvt every now and then, and you and all other mobile users pay that license back to their mobile service providers through your contract or PAYG. The Gvt owns/administers all spectra within the UK jurisdiction. If you want to use a spectrum or several spectra, you need to pay for the privilege. All of this are legal matters, and under applicable legilsation/statutes/etc., if you buy a TV you are deemed to be receiving TV broadcast signals and must therefore buy a license - regardless of whether you actually watch broadcast programs or not (it's expediency and resource management, really: you can't expect the Gvt to keep checking whether every TV owner in the land is watching programs at any given time of the day or night). As has been said (too-) many times already, if you don't want to pay the license, don't buy anything tied to the licensing system. Simples. E.g. don't buy a TV, buy a PC monitor without a tuner. For other reasons, see ECCOnoob's post above, bang-on-the-money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockjaw Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Thats not a very good analogy. We all listen to music, but are not forced to pay into a common pot of money to pay music bands. I think you'll find you are. You certainly are if you ever buy anything from an establishment that plays music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 How many times... You don't pay to get permission to have a TV. You pay to get permission to receive broadcasts in a particular spectrum (that in which TV signals are broadcast). For some other spectra (e.g. in which FM or AM radio signals are broadcast), the licensing requirement is on the broadcasters (radio stations), not the receivers (radio listeners). Etc. It's more or less the same principle as those mega-£££s mobile communication licenses (3G, 4G, etc) which mobile operators need to buy from the Gvt every now and then, and you and all other mobile users pay that license back to their mobile service providers through your contract or PAYG. The Gvt owns/administers all spectra within the UK jurisdiction. If you want to use a spectrum or several spectra, you need to pay for the privilege. All of this are legal matters, and under applicable legilsation/statutes/etc., if you buy a TV you are deemed to be receiving TV broadcast signals and must therefore buy a license - regardless of whether you actually watch broadcast programs or not (it's expediency and resource management, really: you can't expect the Gvt to keep checking whether every TV owner in the land is watching programs at any given time of the day or night). As has been said (too-) many times already, if you don't want to pay the license, don't buy anything tied to the licensing system. Simples. E.g. don't buy a TV, buy a PC monitor without a tuner. For other reasons, see ECCOnoob's post above, bang-on-the-money. Ok I agree they need some sort of licence system to stop anyone and everyone broadcasting on the same frequencies in a chaotic way. However, if licence money was not given to the BBC the cost to the user of the licence would be massively reduced - the licence merely needs to cover the cost of administering the system, and does not need to be used as a subsidy to a television/radio broadcaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 the licence merely needs to cover the cost of administering the system, and does not need to be used as a subsidy to a television/radio broadcaster.In the UK, it does, for the 'state' television/radio broadcaster. Get used to it, or move Personally, having experienced 'state' TV/radio broadcasters of many EU countries (as in: longer than a week or two during holidays, more like months and years), BBC (TV/radio) is an order of magnitude or three above all of them. That's including factoring in the dross-for-the-masses programs (Strictly, Eastenders, etc.). Considering the cost of the UK license (relative to the French, Irish, Luxemburg, German equivalents - which all operate on the same basis) in that context, and the fact that there are no adverts either, it is an absolute bargain, with a fair bit of headroom left still. A likely reason is that many foreign broadcasters 'import' a lot of BBC content, on the basis of its world-class quality, whereby foreign license fee payers effectively contribute to the running of the BBC - whereby, in turn, the license fee stays cheap in the UK. Think it over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 In the UK, it does, for the 'state' television/radio broadcaster. Get used to it, or move Personally, having experienced 'state' TV/radio broadcasters of many EU countries (as in: longer than a week or two during holidays, more like months and years), BBC (TV/radio) is an order of magnitude or three above all of them. That's including factoring in the dross-for-the-masses programs (Strictly, Eastenders, etc.). Considering the cost of the UK license (relative to the French, Irish, Luxemburg, German equivalents - which all operate on the same basis) in that context, and the fact that there are no adverts either, it is an absolute bargain, with a fair bit of headroom left still. A likely reason is that many foreign broadcasters 'import' a lot of BBC content, on the basis of its world-class quality, whereby foreign license fee payers effectively contribute to the running of the BBC - whereby, in turn, the license fee stays cheap in the UK. Think it over When you consider the cost of a SKY package the TV licence is cheap.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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