cardoor Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 People don't understand it yet. They soon will. It is sad what is happening - but it is good that people are trying to deal with the problems they face. It is these grassroots movements that do something productive and improve areas and living standards. Yes I have the up most respect the city of Detroit and its residents, despite its problems it is a truly remarkable creative innovative city which I would recomend anyone to visit, the UK's ex industrial heartlands could learn a lot from one of the most feared places on Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S10mainly Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Go live there and show them the way then? The handfull of CSX drivers i know of think the place is a deadbeat hole to be kept away from not cos its scary so much as its just vile.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 So the UK's increasingly reliance on food banks is now also a myth? We are reliant on food banks? Who told you that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanman Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Talk of growing your own because people can't afford to grow food and then linking that idea to lack of allotments or 'idle' land is a load of bull. First of all growing your own is generally not a cheap alternative to buying. Even if it was the land is available for those people willing to go and spend their efforts in looking for it rather than putting endless postings on a forum whinging. http://www.landshare.net/ or look at what Todmoden have done which is a model for almost anywhere in the country http://www.incredible-edible-todmorden.co.uk Do a google search for CSAs Sheffield and look what comes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Many middle class well to do families in US thought they would be reliant on food banks and resort to growing their own food. And the same will be happening here in UK. In fairness the unemployed/sick don't get a fraction of the benefits in the US compared to the ones that are available over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S10mainly Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 This could be an example of how if we were all given "the same money" after a Socialist Revoution some of us would end up richer than others.... I know how to grow stuff, but i cant be assed.... wonder if the starving masses who suddenly find land but no knowledge will then pay me to teach them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey104 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 In the quote in the OP; Quote: Originally Posted by S10mainly Some people may use them but I dont think it counts as a reliance do you? In the quote in the OP; Quote: Chesterton councillor Eddie Boden, the Labour-run authority's deputy leader, said: "Allotments used to be looked on as just a hobby or a project but they are now becoming a necessity for providing food for some sections of our society." Newchapel councillor Elsie Bates, cabinet member for leisure, said: "I have allotments in Talke and Kidsgrove and I'm pleased to say most tenants are young people with young families who want to get out there and grow their own fruit and vegetables. It is not old men hiding in sheds anymore. "There are significant changes affecting demand for allotments and the way they are provided and managed. "They are more popular and in demand than at any time in the last 20 years." L It's odd that the allotments I walk around daily the majority arrive in cars. Surely if things were that bad the first thing to go would be the car? The cost of taxing the vehicle alone would cover the veg bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/Hard-families-grow-veg/story-17338114-detail/story.html No longer do people dig for fun, no longer do people dig for victory, the enemy is within and it is personified by the land owning aristocratic elite. People must DIG FOR SURVIVAL. They need access to land to grow food, so that they may eat. Foodbanks have sprung up round the country, and many of the poorest in our society have to queue for food handouts. These people should be allowed to grow their own food. Newcastle, not Sheffield. I'd recommend working for a living instead, most people will find that there time is better spent that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vague_Boy Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Detroits extreme deprivation and the sheer desperation is why growing their own food became such a neccesity for its people. What about food stamps? Is what to emphasise a point, one the most urbanised cities home to the motor worlds trade with the worlds most urbanised residents whom are the least likely stereotyped folk to ever see in green movements have now resorted to growing their own food due to necessity. I see nothing in that link that mentions growing food due to "necessity". Greening’ began by simply organizing tree and shrub planting schemes in parks and along the city’s streets. But the project blossomed, and today it includes a range of initiatives creating useful landscapes from abandoned land, designed to benefit local residents. With a variety of urban gardening and agriculture schemes, the organization says that it now supports a network of over 15,000 urban gardeners in more than a thousand gardens in Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem1st Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 Newcastle, not Sheffield. I'd recommend working for a living instead, most people will find that there time is better spent that way. Hence in General discussions, not Sheffield. Youth unemployment is very very high. Surely it is better to grow some food than to do nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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