mikem8634 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 you should get up to speed to see what Minorities you need to defend next time Thank you, I certainly will continue to make sure I am well-informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S10mainly Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 obviously not as well informed as me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Glypta Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 Half the 6,280 is 3,140 so if 3140 is 1 in 20 that means there are only 62800 people who fit under the term "MSM". Is this right? Does the term exclude men who are actually gay, or is it only as said above men who consider themselves straight? The lowest estimates I could find for gay men in the UK are somewhere around 2%, which would mean over a million? No because the numbers refer to new cases over the year. I don't know the proportion of gays who fit the MSM category. But if it is half of 2% who you say are gay that means 1% of the population is responsible for 50% of the HIV. Now that is a shocking statistic. I suppose what is more worrying is 5% is a significant number. When 0.1% of the population suffered from HIV there was little chance of encountering it. But once you get to a 1 in 20 chance that becomes a significant risk. As it takes 2 to tango it means 1 in 10 MSM encounters involve someone with AIDS/HIV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frededwards Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I don't know the proportion of gays who fit the MSM category. . Apart from the celibate, all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem8634 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Apart from the celibate, all of them. That's what I would assume too. Plus those who identify themselves as bi-sexual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolW Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 MSM is a term used by the blood transfusion services for a while now, - they weren't allowed to ask people if they were homosexual, as this could be seen as discriminatory... So the question "Are you a man who has ever had sex with another man" was asked instead of "Are you homosexual or bi-sexual"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olive Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Sex only on Monday? Another neologism is 'the sex industry' (and 'sex worker'). It's just a euphemism for 'prostitution' (and 'prostitute'), isn't it. Yup, prostitutes who only work Mondays, that's right! ---------- Post added 29-11-2012 at 16:12 ---------- MSM is a term used by the blood transfusion services for a while now, - they weren't allowed to ask people if they were homosexual, as this could be seen as discriminatory... So the question "Are you a man who has ever had sex with another man" was asked instead of "Are you homosexual or bi-sexual"..... Makes more sense in a clinical context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frededwards Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 MSM is a term used by the blood transfusion services for a while now, - they weren't allowed to ask people if they were homosexual, as this could be seen as discriminatory... So the question "Are you a man who has ever had sex with another man" was asked instead of "Are you homosexual or bi-sexual"..... It's nonsense. That's like saying "I've never slept with a gay man, but I've slept with a man who has." How can asking someone if they are homosexual be discriminatory, long as you ask everyone, there is, by definition, no discrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem8634 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 It's nonsense. That's like saying "I've never slept with a gay man, but I've slept with a man who has." How can asking someone if they are homosexual be discriminatory, long as you ask everyone, there is, by definition, no discrimination. Isn't the point that if the transfusion service asks using the MSM terminology they will get a more accurate picture as there appear to be men who sleep with men but do not consider themselves gay? Or have I got that wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolW Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 It's nonsense. That's like saying "I've never slept with a gay man, but I've slept with a man who has." How can asking someone if they are homosexual be discriminatory, long as you ask everyone, there is, by definition, no discrimination. Because telling someone they can't donate blood because of being homosexual is discriminatory - as it's on the basis of their sexuality.... But if the question "Are you a man who has ever had sex with another man" is asked, it's not discriminatory, as it's on the basis of their behaviour, not their sexuality.... Does that make any sense at all????!!!!!! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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