"Kill the Gays"

[XXTickerXX]

Shocking i know.

 

Uganda 'Kill the Gays' Bill Could Be Voted On Any Day ...

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-mirabella/uganda-kill-the-gays-bill-could-be-voted-on-any-day_b_2174160.html

While the final bill has not been made publicly available, allegedly the proposed law, nicknamed the "kill the gays" bill, makes the existing legislation even stricter, establishing life imprisonment as the punishment for being in a same-sex relationship and the death penalty for "aggravated homosexuality," which is loosely defined as a homosexual act committed by an HIV-positive person or with a minor. So-called "serial offenders" would also face the death penalty.

 

 

This is a proposed "christmas gift" to the nation.

 

A nation the UK has given £15 million this year in aid which was suspended 2 weeks ago after they withheld the final £11 million after suspecting misuse of funds.

 

Isn`t it time we stopped aid to these 3rd world countries and looked after Britain.

[LeMaquis]

Isn`t it time we stopped aid to these 3rd world countries and looked after Britain.

 

Stop aid to all developing countries because of the actions of one? Do you think you should be punished every time another Briton does something wrong?

[Tomm06]

I think the money should be put towards sorting the country out, or at leas the majority of it, and if we MUST aid third world countries, then give them what we can, but I think the country it comes from should be the main priority. There's poverty everywhere, look after the poverty here first.

[andygardener]

Stop aid to all developing countries because of the actions of one? Do you think you should be punished every time another Briton does something wrong?

 

Clearly that would not be reasonable, though whether we can currently afford aid is a different and valid question, we do seem to be doing the national equivalent of handing out generous donations to charity on our credit card.

 

However since it's all ringfenced it's a moot point. I do think making any aid conditional on countries having a legal framework that respects basic human rights is perfectly reasonable though.

[Crosser]

Stop aid to all developing countries because of the actions of one? Do you think you should be punished every time another Briton does something wrong?

 

But that is EXACTLY what does happen..

 

Binge drinking = Put cost up for all

 

Uninsured drivers = Put cost up for all

 

 

Flood insurance = Put cost up for all

 

 

The list goes on and on and on..... So why should it be different with overseas aid? (especially when many of those states use the money to supplement their arms etc)

[XXTickerXX]

Stop aid to all developing countries because of the actions of one? Do you think you should be punished every time another Briton does something wrong?

 

1 person is not a nation. Not really a comparison.

 

It depends what they do with that money.The Ugandan president bought himself a $30 million jet last year after receiving all that nice aid to help his people.

 

We gave Pakistan £650 million this year and yet they still spent £4 billion on their military and developing their nice nuclear arsenal.

 

Japan gives very little aid out and was able to rebuild their country in a year after a horrendous natural disaster.

 

Britain can`t even build proper flood defenses.

 

Direct aid (building wells, vaccinations , building schools etc) is good.

What shouldn`t be happening is the UK giving vast sums of money out going to corrupt governments to do as they please.

[LeMaquis]

But that is EXACTLY what does happen..

 

Binge drinking = Put cost up for all

 

Uninsured drivers = Put cost up for all

 

Flood insurance = Put cost up for all

 

The list goes on and on and on..... So why should it be different with overseas aid? (especially when many of those states use the money to supplement their arms etc)

 

Flooding isn't a human act unless you leave the tap running and flooding insurance isn't a punishment.

 

Putting up the price of alcohol to deter binge-drinking means that less money has to be spent on the effects of binge-drinking - investigations of and prosecutions of drink-related crime, health issues, compensation, repairs, etc. So it could actually save money as it brings more revenue to the government which has to pay out less to mitigate the effects of binge-drinking. Binge-drinkers can be fined and so end up worse off than everyone else. And not everyone drinks so not everyone is affected.

 

Uninsured drivers as individuals are prosecuted, fined and made to pay for insurance, so they suffer more than most. And not everyone drives so not everyone is affected.

 

If you punish a tolerant regime because another one thousands of miles away is behaving like a bunch of nutters what message are you sending to those acting in a tolerant and enlightened way? You'd only stifle economic development in Africa and Asia which in turn would have a damaging effect on world trade.

[cressida]

I've no problem with our country giving aid if we can afford it, but are we giving some countries aid to keep them 'onside' - is it appreciated or do they feel patronised in which case can't we help those who most need it here instead, e.g. the homeless?

[andygardener]

As there is no intention to do any such thing it's not really very important though. If Uganda were to pass such a law and British aid were to continue that would send a very disturbing message however and that's what we should be focused on. Have DFID made any kind of statement on the subject at this stage?

[S10mainly]

so you agree with what a 5th world country do?