wednesday1 Posted December 1, 2012 Author Share Posted December 1, 2012 The map will look much the same after the next election with Conservative and labour taking most of the seats. In reality it will probably look more like it did after the 1997 GE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 If Farage pushes the get out of Europe idea and the reduction of "incommers" into the Country, it's hard to see how UKIP can fail to prosper. Doubtful they will ever run the Country, but they may replace the lib/dems as the third party. Tory/UKIP sounds ok to me after the next election. Angel. Each to their own but in what ways do you think that would be good for the country? What would change? Do you think a Tory/Ukip coalition would take us out of Europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 If Farage pushes the get out of Europe idea and the reduction of "incommers" into the Country, it's hard to see how UKIP can fail to prosper. Doubtful they will ever run the Country, but they may replace the lib/dems as the third party. Tory/UKIP sounds ok to me after the next election. Angel. Therein lies the problem with single issue parties. UKIP pledges to get us out of Europe and reduce immigration, then what? Once they've achieved these goals they just become another right wing party with racist undertones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaximus Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 In reality it will probably look more like it did after the 1997 GE. As I said, much the same with more blue than red. 1997 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 More blue than red would show them to be a national party.Whenever I see that picture I find myself yearning for Scottish independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaximus Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Whenever I see that picture I find myself yearning for Scottish independence. Yes if the Conservatives could hold power for longer it would give them the time to change places like Rotherham into places in which people had the drive to succeed instead of waiting in line for their next hand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I know of 7 old Lab supporters who know reckon they would go UKIP at the next election, i only know of 2 previous conservative supporters. For the record, i live in a rural area. Just saying. ---------- Post added 01-12-2012 at 20:48 ---------- The party that offers the electorate the right to referendums and recall by petition as in Switzerland, as well as PR, they would probably have a huge lead over all other parties. Even offering referendums and recall by petition would make them a party that is likely to hold the balance of power in the next election. Can anyone see at the moment, anything other than another coalition govt next time round? The big question is which parties will be in that coalition. Given that Cameron has just gifted the press an alternative to Leveson, i expect the press (most of them) will assist him in trying to destroy the competition, ie nail Lab on its previous dire time in Govt. The press have never really destroyed Brown et al (thats you Balls) for the banking crisis and id be shocked if the blue papers didnt do a number of them at election time. Its still a long time before the election and i still wouldnt rule out Independent MPs or a new party. Floating voters must be at the biggest percentage ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I know of 7 old Lab supporters who know reckon they would go UKIP at the next election, i only know of 2 previous conservative supporters. For the record, i live in a rural area. Just saying. ---------- Post added 01-12-2012 at 20:48 ---------- The party that offers the electorate the right to referendums and recall by petition as in Switzerland, as well as PR, they would probably have a huge lead over all other parties. Even offering referendums and recall by petition would make them a party that is likely to hold the balance of power in the next election. Can anyone see at the moment, anything other than another coalition govt next time round? The big question is which parties will be in that coalition. Given that Cameron has just gifted the press an alternative to Leveson, i expect the press (most of them) will assist him in trying to destroy the competition, ie nail Lab on its previous dire time in Govt. The press have never really destroyed Brown et al (thats you Balls) for the banking crisis and id be shocked if the blue papers didnt do a number of them at election time. Its still a long time before the election and i still wouldnt rule out Independent MPs or a new party. Floating voters must be at the biggest percentage ever. I think the public would see straight through that ruse. The public have lost trust in the media and they've lost trust in politicians - the sight of the two acting in common self interest to try and nobble an election is not going to play out well IMO. Totally agree about independents and minor parties. That is maybe where Ukip are going to benefit - their message is pretty clear and they have minimal baggage with relation to the media and other sordid goings on. The likes of the Greens will do well too. Whether it will translates into that many seats is another thing and like others said the map will still be mostly red and blue after 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I think the public would see straight through that ruse. The public have lost trust in the media and they've lost trust in politicians - the sight of the two acting in common self interest to try and nobble an election is not going to play out well IMO. Totally agree about independents and minor parties. That is maybe where Ukip are going to benefit - their message is pretty clear and they have minimal baggage with relation to the media and other sordid goings on. The likes of the Greens will do well too. Whether it will translates into that many seats is another thing and like others said the map will still be mostly red and blue after 2015. I really really want to believe the public will see through the ruse or that the media become less significant, however, look how many years we have been voting in Lab/Lib/Con. Heres to hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoatwobbler Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 I think some people are getting a bit carried away with regard to UKIP. Next year's county council elections will be a better test of their ability to break through then a by-election where they have been greatly assisted by a daft decision from Rotherham social services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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