Cyclone Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 So these people who are receiving cuts to their benefits deserve this, do they? You dont think they're trying to get a job, then? Do you actually know what job seekers have to do to get benefits now? Those of you who like to sit back & accuse people you don't know of being scroungers and dole cheats ought to lose your jobs and then see how loudly and bravely you can talk. Have you any idea what the job market is like? How jobs advertised on Jobmatch, Monster, Totaljobs are exactly the same jobs simply advertised through different agencies? Many don't even exist at all but are put out there as the agencies are paid for the number of hits that are made on the sites. So let's blame the job seekers for not having jobs where jobs don't exist & then penalise them and their families for doing 30 job searches a week to earn money to live on & know that the work isn't out there because we're in recession. Then have to read the uninformed rubbish that's posted on here. My bold - no they aren't, that's nonsense. Agencies are paid when they place someone, more specifically they are paid a % of that persons pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costacoffee Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 He has not gone far enough. I would scrap income tax for everyone and have different bands of vat that everyone must pay. There should be only child benefit for 1 child not all of them and it should be means tested. All disabled people should be checked by an independent doctor every 6 months and shoul be given a job that matches them, no benefits should be paid to anyone who has not contributed to the system for less than 9 years. ---------- Post added 05-12-2012 at 15:03 ---------- All claimants should be told to turn up to a job club everyday to make sure they are actively looking for work, they must stay In the building for at least 6 hours a day. Retiner or finger prints scanners to be used. To identify claimants and who is actively look for work. No turn up no pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenRivers Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Wages are up 10% in the past 5 years (NMW up just 8%), benefits are up 20%. Social rents are up 26%. Most people claiming benefits are WORKERS - albeit unemployed workers. We need to bring back the unemployed to the ranks of producers. Tomorrows unemployed are yesterdays workers, and tomorrows workers are todays unemployed. We should be reducing rents, and taxing economic rents... So if benefits went up 20% but wages went up only 10%, that means increases in benefits has outstripped workers pay. If in real terms, benefit claimants have benefitted from a greater rate of growth in their income over the last 5 years, seems fair to me to cut benefits even more than is being done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focusnow Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I earn half of what I earned 3 years ago...so we're all suffering. I would have cut the deficit by increasing all taxation by 2% and reducing all public spending by the same...Then we would have all really been "in it together".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I earn half of what I earned 3 years ago...so we're all suffering. I would have cut the deficit by increasing all taxation by 2% and reducing all public spending by the same...Then we would have all really been "in it together".... So you want to see 2% cuts in spending on the NHS, Schools, Police, Defence, Prison service etc etc which would result in job losses leading to extra benefit claims and less tax paid? And at the same time you would make all those left with a job pay 2% extra tax? Seems a bit unfair. Of course the alternative would be to promote growth, get more people in paid employment which would in turn lead to increases in tax paid which would could then fund the NHS, Schools, police, Defence, Prison Service etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 So you want to see 2% cuts in spending on the NHS, Schools, Police, Defence, Prison service etc etc which would result in job losses leading to extra benefit claims and less tax paid? How much does a policeman earn? How much would they recieve in benefit..? I know what you're saying but as it's the government that pay both public sector wages and all benefits then they'd save money by not employing people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Well, I'm paying more tax on my company car. You get a company car and have to pay tax on it? I don't know how some people get through life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansheff Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 So these people who are receiving cuts to their benefits deserve this, do they? You dont think they're trying to get a job, then? Do you actually know what job seekers have to do to get benefits now? Those of you who like to sit back & accuse people you don't know of being scroungers and dole cheats ought to lose your jobs and then see how loudly and bravely you can talk. Have you any idea what the job market is like? How jobs advertised on Jobmatch, Monster, Totaljobs are exactly the same jobs simply advertised through different agencies? Many don't even exist at all but are put out there as the agencies are paid for the number of hits that are made on the sites. So let's blame the job seekers for not having jobs where jobs don't exist & then penalise them and their families for doing 30 job searches a week to earn money to live on & know that the work isn't out there because we're in recession. Then have to read the uninformed rubbish that's posted on here. Thats how the Tories work, keep telling people that everyone on benefits are scroungers and eventually you will get people believing it, it's the same with the disabled. The Tories never have and never will be bothered about the ordinary working people of this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Thats how the Tories work, keep telling people that everyone on benefits are scroungers and eventually you will get people believing it, it's the same with the disabled. The Tories never have and never will be bothered about the ordinary working people of this country. Surly the OP's post isn't about ordinary working people, but benefits given to those who don't work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem1st Posted December 5, 2012 Author Share Posted December 5, 2012 Surly the OP's post isn't about ordinary working people, but benefits given to those who don't work? All of the above benefits can be claimed by working people. And many working people are out of work, they are not voluntarily unemployed. The benefits to non working people (pensioners) are the ones which have increased the most! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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