Tories call for Welfare Card for benefit claimants

[max]

That would be these theatres to start with

http://www.sheffieldtheatres.co.uk/your-visit/booking-information/offersanddiscounts/

 

I'm making no judgement on unemployed/beneft claimants i've been there myself,i'm merely stating what appears obvious to me. The stigma of being unemployed never appears to bother them when they can claim free or discounted stuff.

 

You can talk for yourself when you speak of the stigma of being unemployed, for the majority of right thinking folk it doesn't exist.

[willman]

So that's all you could find, because I think you'll probably find the like's of Vue and Cineworld don't offer those kinds of discounts..

 

Oh and another thing, the PDSA expects a 'donation' for each and every attendance.. plus it is only available for 1 pedigree dog (if you have 2 the other has to go without).. AND medications do have to be paid for, ok not at the exorbitant rates charged by private vets, but still paid for at least at cost.

 

 

 

Yes you are.. you're stating that all those on benefit's go around happily declaring they're on benefits as if it's some kind of 'badge of honour'. That in itself is inaccurately judgemental.

 

 

 

In other words your making a wholly inaccurate and sweeping generalisation... did you (when you were 'there yourself') go about the place announcing to all and sundry you were unemployed and on benefits as if it were some kind of 'badge of honour' on the off chance you might get some token reduction or concession? Or did you have some gumption and self worth to not do so?

 

 

 

Have you actually stopped to ask all these people you've apparently witnessed asking for free stuff.. to see if it bothers them having to do so? No? I didn't think so..

 

Now you see you're falling into the same old traps - i never said "all those" claimants.

But it is still plain to see - there are things discounted and given for free and they are used. I used free sports facilitites when i was unemployed, it filled the spare time up and it's proven to be benefitial against depression.

 

As for asking them - why do i need to. I already know plenty,hear of plenty on this forum and see it with my won eyes that the stigma isn't sufficient to prevent obtaining discounted or free stuff.

 

I quite readily asked if there was concessions for unemployed when i was out of work,it wasn't my fault i was out of work, just as i asked for concessions when i was a student and i will do when i reach pension age.

Just as i queued for free butter and cheese ,no stigma to me.

 

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You can talk for yourself when you speak of the stigma of being unemployed, for the majority of right thinking folk it doesn't exist.

 

I think the "stigma" is made up by lefty do gooders who are mistaking it for some sort of imagined loss of dignity and pride just by being out of work.

[LeMaquis]

I think the "stigma" is made up by lefty do gooders who are mistaking it for some sort of imagined loss of dignity and pride just by being out of work.

 

Do you seriously think people don't feel a loss of dignity and pride when they lose their jobs? When you lost yours did you feel the same as you had when you had been working? Do you feel the same now as you did when you were unemployed?

[Jeffrey Shaw]

"Welfare card"? Maybe a prepayment VISA/Mastercard- would save admin. costs, at least.

But how did the MP envisage that blocking function for non-essential items? It wouldn't work.

[poppet2]

"Welfare card"? Maybe a prepayment VISA/Mastercard- would save admin. costs, at least.

But how did the MP envisage that blocking function for non-essential items? It wouldn't work.

 

It's been tried and tested down under.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18951205

[Swampster]

Now you see you're falling into the same old traps - i never said "all those" claimants.

 

Nope you said: (my bold)

 

The stigma of being unemployed never appears to bother them

 

Which amounts to the same thing.. 'them' is qualified by the 'being unemployed' statement, therefore them = those that are unemployed.

 

And.. (again my bold)

 

Its amazing how benefit claimants don't feel stigmatised when they're getting reductions for the theatre or cinemas, or leisure facilities or down at the PDSA. Amazingly it then becomes a badge of honour.

 

No qualification of which 'benefit claimants'.. just the generic term which one would reasonably assume meant all..

 

But it is still plain to see - there are things discounted and given for free and they are used. I used free sports facilitites when i was unemployed, it filled the spare time up and it's proven to be benefitial against depression.

 

I'm not even sure if sport's facilities are free these days either..

 

As for asking them - why do i need to. I already know plenty,hear of plenty on this forum and see it with my won eyes that the stigma isn't sufficient to prevent obtaining discounted or free stuff.

 

You mean you know a very small number of people claiming benefits (in the scheme of things), this forum is hardly reflective.. and your own eyes tell you someone is unemployed and on benefits? Does that mean the powers that be implemented the yellow star idea?

 

In the scheme of things you're not qualified or in a position to state...

 

Its amazing how benefit claimants don't feel stigmatised when they're getting reductions for the theatre or cinemas, or leisure facilities or down at the PDSA. Amazingly it then becomes a badge of honour.

 

As you have no idea, what the vast majority of 'them' or 'they' feel like if they do have to ask for stuff, or indeed whether they all do at all... like I said it was inflammatory hogwash..

 

as is..

 

I think the "stigma" is made up by lefty do gooders who are mistaking it for some sort of imagined loss of dignity and pride just by being out of work.

[andygardener]

But how did the MP envisage that blocking function for non-essential items? It wouldn't work.

 

How do you think EPoS systems throw up a challenge on age restricted goods? It's just another database field. The aussie system bans alcohol, tobacco, porn and gambling which are all tagged as age restricted anyway so it wouldn't be much of a job to do it.

 

Not saying its a good or bad idea, just that it could be done easily enough.

[willman]

Nope you said: (my bold)

 

 

 

Which amounts to the same thing.. 'them' is qualified by the 'being unemployed' statement, therefore them = those that are unemployed.

 

And.. (again my bold)

 

 

 

No qualification of which 'benefit claimants'.. just the generic term which one would reasonably assume meant all..

 

 

 

I'm not even sure if sport's facilities are free these days either..

 

 

 

You mean you know a very small number of people claiming benefits (in the scheme of things), this forum is hardly reflective.. and your own eyes tell you someone is unemployed and on benefits? Does that mean the powers that be implemented the yellow star idea?

 

In the scheme of things you're not qualified or in a position to state...

 

 

 

As you have no idea, what the vast majority of 'them' or 'they' feel like if they do have to ask for stuff, or indeed whether they all do at all... like I said it was inflammatory hogwash..

 

as is..

 

So if they are likely to be so "stigmatised" by a welfare card why use the other stuff, why not complain that they don't want to recieve concessions and let companies remove them.

 

As for sports facilities, i can assure some offer free or reduced services, the fact that some of them do is significant enough in my opinion.

Not all facilities make concessions,not all benefit claimants are likely to be stigmatised.

As for benefit claimants it would be those likely to recieve a welfare card.

Is that all of them or some of them?

 

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Do you seriously think people don't feel a loss of dignity and pride when they lose their jobs? When you lost yours did you feel the same as you had when you had been working? Do you feel the same now as you did when you were unemployed?

 

I'm sure some do,I know i did , i felt crap.

But recieving benefits didn't bother me,neither did queueing for the butter mountain or the soup kitchens.I did what was necessary for my family.

Not everyone on benefits has just lost a job.

[Swampster]

So if they are likely to be so "stigmatised" by a welfare card why use the other stuff, why not complain that they don't want to recieve concessions and let companies remove them.

 

Almost certainly I'd wager many don't claim any concessions, and one of the reasons for not doing so would be because they don't want all and sundry knowing their business.

 

not all benefit claimants are likely to be stigmatised.

 

I never said they were, it was you that was making inaccurate claims.. about 'them' waving their unemployed status around as a badge of honour!

[retep]

Wait while the Nudge team start telling people how to spend their wages, or perhaps paying wages by tokens.