Cyclone Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Just out of interest, have any workers been killed while a 50 mph limit was in force by someone doing less than 50 mph? I've seen some statistics about the rate of KSIs of workers when there is and is not camera enforcement. The difference is massive, I don't have the document handy, but it was something like 10 times as many are injured and killed when the limit is not enforced. So in the case of manned roadworks, I completely support the cameras. Of course it's not that simple though, the roadworks are often not being worked on at night, but the limit is left enforced despite the complete absence of risk to any workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gym_rat Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 oh hang on - speed cameras saving lives? goes against everything you lot have been bleating about for the last few years. Is the message finally getting through. ---------- Post added 01-01-2013 at 20:04 ---------- t These change their setpoint depending on the variable speed limit and when no limit is displayed, they can and do still send out tickets they don`t. IIRC it was asked in parliament and the answer was these cameras will only be used when reduced speed limit is in force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garbo Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 oh hang on - speed cameras saving lives? goes against everything you lot have been bleating about for the last few years. Is the message finally getting through. ---------- Post added 01-01-2013 at 20:04 ---------- they don`t. IIRC it was asked in parliament and the answer was these cameras will only be used when reduced speed limit is in force. nope, they are now approved for enforcing the NSL too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Ralge Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 nope, they are now approved for enforcing the NSL too "Approved" certainly (that was the case since SPEC2 received type-approval from DfT) but has any Minister gone back on what was said in Parliament? I.e. that the average speed cameras in Active Traffic Management zones would not be used to enforce the NSL - instead, "normal" enforcement rules would apply with traffic car enforcement as and when they see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gym_rat Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 nope, they are now approved for enforcing the NSL too that wasn`t what I said, was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyl Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Have you or anyone you know been sent a ticket for speeding through the roadworks on the M62 or M1 I'm not condoning speeding or wishing to speed myself but Chris Evans mentioned on radio2 the other day that he never takes any notice of them and he has never been sent a ticket and it got me thinking - not one of my friends, family or colleagues have ever mentioned being caught by them? Are they real or just another deterrent? http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10023706.__50_000_a_month_speed_cameras/ Speed cameras have generated more than £50,000 in fines in their first month. More than 2,500 motorists were caught exceeding the 40mph limit by average speed cameras installed to monitor traffic moving through roadworks on the A23 between Handcross and Warninglid. The cameras will rake in £1.2 million over the two years they are in place if they continues to snap motorists at the current rate. Since the end of September the |specialist cameras have caught an average of one motorist every twenty minutes along the two-and-a-half mile stretch. Road safety campaigners hailed the figures saying they showed that 99.9% |of the 70,000 drivers who use the road every day were observing the limit. More than 800 drivers caught travelling between 54mph and 65mph have been issued with a £60 fine, meaning the section raised more than £50,000 in its first month. With the roadworks and cameras scheduled to stay in place until autumn 2014, the cameras could end up handing out fines totalling more than £1.2 million. All income raised goes to the Treasury. Nearly 50 motorists caught travelling at 66mph were charged with exceeding the speed limit and will appear in court where they could face driving bans, fines, points on their licence and community service. The worst offender was caught travelling at more than twice the new speed limit when they were clocked doing 82mph. Speed awareness More than 1,600 motorists were given the opportunity to attend a speed awareness course for travelling between 46mph and 53mph. If they refuse, or have already attended a similar course in the last three years, they are also liable to pay a £60 fine and receive three penalty points. The proportion of motorists adhering to the new speed limits has increased significantly since the cameras were first put in place. Early tests showed that one in a hundred motorists initially exceeded the speed limit but this has dropped to one in a thousand through October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 oh hang on - speed cameras saving lives? goes against everything you lot have been bleating about for the last few years. No it doesn't. It's just that you haven't bothered to actually understand what most people dislike about cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top4718 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 No it doesn't. It's just that you haven't bothered to actually understand what most people dislike about cameras. I dont think anyone has a problem with speed cameras being put into positions where they will help to prevent fatalities its the cameras that are put in strategic places where they are most likely to catch people out and rake in money. With regard to the cameras in roadworks, I fully agree with the 50mph limit IF work is actually taking place but a lot of the time the cameras (and limits) stay in place long after the work has been completed and theres no sign of any contractors (the ones on the M1 around Nottingham were like this). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Completely, but gym_rat doesn't understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Glypta Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I dont think anyone has a problem with speed cameras being put into positions where they will help to prevent fatalities its the cameras that are put in strategic places where they are most likely to catch people out and rake in money. With regard to the cameras in roadworks, I fully agree with the 50mph limit IF work is actually taking place but a lot of the time the cameras (and limits) stay in place long after the work has been completed and theres no sign of any contractors (the ones on the M1 around Nottingham were like this). Indeed. A few weeks ago I drove the Dronfield Bypass where there were cones and a 50 limit down almost the whole length in both direction without a workman in sight. All it needed was a speed camera to complete the money box. http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10023706.__50_000_a_month_speed_cameras/ Speed cameras have generated more than £50,000 in fines in their first month. More than 2,500 motorists were caught exceeding the 40mph limit by average speed cameras installed to monitor traffic moving through roadworks on the A23 between Handcross and Warninglid. The cameras will rake in £1.2 million over the two years they are in place if they continues to snap motorists at the current rate. Since the end of September the |specialist cameras have caught an average of one motorist every twenty minutes along the two-and-a-half mile stretch. Road safety campaigners hailed the figures saying they showed that 99.9% |of the 70,000 drivers who use the road every day were observing the limit. More than 800 drivers caught travelling between 54mph and 65mph have been issued with a £60 fine, meaning the section raised more than £50,000 in its first month. With the roadworks and cameras scheduled to stay in place until autumn 2014, the cameras could end up handing out fines totalling more than £1.2 million. All income raised goes to the Treasury. Nearly 50 motorists caught travelling at 66mph were charged with exceeding the speed limit and will appear in court where they could face driving bans, fines, points on their licence and community service. The worst offender was caught travelling at more than twice the new speed limit when they were clocked doing 82mph. Speed awareness More than 1,600 motorists were given the opportunity to attend a speed awareness course for travelling between 46mph and 53mph. If they refuse, or have already attended a similar course in the last three years, they are also liable to pay a £60 fine and receive three penalty points. The proportion of motorists adhering to the new speed limits has increased significantly since the cameras were first put in place. Early tests showed that one in a hundred motorists initially exceeded the speed limit but this has dropped to one in a thousand through October. I have had tickets on French motorways where they monitor speed between pay booths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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