barleycorn Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 BMI: Does the Body Mass Index need fixing? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21229387 Excellent, I now go down from 23.7 to 23. Someone pass me the cake. The problem with BMI is that it shouldn't be used as a stand alone figure for individuals, rather it should be used to measure trends across a population. The moral of the story is if you use a statistical tool for a purpose to which it is not intended do not be surprised when it churns out crap. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhiller Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Smokers cost the NHS.a fortune too . . . . Some people continue smoking when diagnosed with COPD and asthma . . . . Perhaps is obese people are made to slim down or face the cobsequences, then smokers shouldnt be treated until they have stopped smoking too. Obesity costs the NHS considerably more than smoking. What about all the special equipment hospitals are having to bring in-special beds wheel chairs lifting equipment. Injuries to staff having to move them. Some of the obese must be to heavy to work, so live on benifits, wherehas smokers for the most part still work. Finally smokers contribute millions in cig. taxes to offset tratment. Downhiller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Biggest single item on that list appears to be WTC. That's WORKING tax credits Doesn't the NHS count as part of the welfare bill though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lipschitz Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 The only way to really determine whether someone is obese is to calculate their bodyfat percentage as people who carry more muscle through regular exercise will be obese on paper as the BMI calculations do not take into account any other factors apart from height and weight. We all know that officials will not use any common sense (or their eyes) when it comes to things like this and just tell someone they are obese when clearly they are not. On the upside, someone who goes to the gym regularly may get it for free due to some pen pusher. Result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhiller Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 The only way to really determine whether someone is obese is to calculate their bodyfat percentage as people who carry more muscle through regular exercise will be obese on paper as the BMI calculations do not take into account any other factors apart from height and weight. We all know that officials will not use any common sense (or their eyes) when it comes to things like this and just tell someone they are obese when clearly they are not. On the upside, someone who goes to the gym regularly may get it for free due to some pen pusher. Result! "A blind Man 0n a Galloping Horse" (as confucious states) can see when someone is obese, take a look in a well known supermarket in Ecclesfield on a busy day. There`s that many it`s taken as normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 You can see that some people are obviously obese, but I doubt that any medical assessment would rely on an eyeball assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gym_rat Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 You can see that some people are obviously obese, but I doubt that any medical assessment would rely on an eyeball assessment. your opinion on anything to do with health and fitness has been proven wrong so many times now it`s beyond parody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhiller Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 You can see that some people are obviously obese, but I doubt that any medical assessment would rely on an eyeball assessment. So,What we are saying is, if a person, 5ft 6in and 25 stone in weight stood in front of an assessment board, he/she would not be classified as obese until his/her BMI index was checked first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gleadly Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 So,What we are saying is, if a person, 5ft 6in and 25 stone in weight stood in front of an assessment board, he/she would not be classified as obese until his/her BMI index was checked first? No, of course not. They'd probably turn round and tell them to put on more weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 So,What we are saying is, if a person, 5ft 6in and 25 stone in weight stood in front of an assessment board, he/she would not be classified as obese until his/her BMI index was checked first? I expect that's how it would be yes. They'll have paperwork to fill in, they won't just ignore that and write down "it's obvious". gym_rat - I don't think you've ever proven anything in your life. The key bit of proof is that you just saying something is not proof. Ran out of time to add this morning, that the fact that some people are visibly obese isn't in question or relevant. What point are you trying to make downhill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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