Parking ticket from Meadowhall

[Eckolad]

No one here is condoning abled body people using disabled spaces

 

But no one is above the equality act

 

And the HMRC Vs decision is quite conclusive

[Eater Sundae]

No one here is condoning abled body people using disabled spaces

 

But no one is above the equality act

 

And the HMRC Vs decision is quite conclusive

 

 

"Not condoning" something doesn't stop it happening.

[Eckolad]

But invoices the grubby ppcs issue , are not good at managing car parks.

 

You don't see the oiks who walk round doing any proper management.

[Eater Sundae]

But invoices the grubby ppcs issue , are not good at managing car parks.

 

You don't see the oiks who walk round doing any proper management.

 

 

So, a parking free for all it is, then. It’s just a pity for those disabled people who will be effectively prevented from using Meadowhall because there will be nowhere to park near to the entrances.

[Eckolad]

No but ppcs have no rights to claim these charges

[Walkley Dave]

So, a parking free for all it is, then. It’s just a pity for those disabled people who will be effectively prevented from using Meadowhall because there will be nowhere to park near to the entrances.

 

In fact most people are very good about not using either disabled bays or mother and child bays.

 

Perfectly possible to arrange disabled parking near the entrance and to stop non-disabled people using it. It might take some members of staff at busy times and of course that is not what PPC's want to do. Their business model is predicated on being able to issue "fines".

 

The chances are that Meadowhall's planning permission was granted on the premise that it would always be free. If they are issuing fines that is broken.

[alchresearch]

In fact most people are very good about not using either disabled bays or mother and child bays.

 

Do you have any evidence of this though, because there are plenty of posts on here which state that people don't agree with parent and child bays and use them regardless, same with people using disabled bays just to quickly nip into a shop.

 

Some low life on here has even admitted to not paying at the Northern General hospital because they knew there was nothing that could be done.

 

Perfectly possible to arrange disabled parking near the entrance and to stop non-disabled people using it. It might take some members of staff at busy times and of course that is not what PPC's want to do. Their business model is predicated on being able to issue "fines".

 

So how do you propose this is done then? Meadowhall staff constantly patrolling the disabled bays and stopping anyone who doesn't have a blue badge? Its already been shown that you don't need a blue badge to use the spaces.

 

Its all very well using the honour system and hoping people abide by it, but if they did then there would be no speed or red light cameras (or if there were there would be no income from them), no need for traffic wardens or parking companies.

 

Same with talking about barriers. A barrier is not some instant fix, it doesn't stop people using disabled spaces or taking up two spaces.

 

When it comes to driving, people just don't care about others. As long as they get parked up close to their destination.

 

And this is what you seem to be ignoring, as well as the simple task of just driving and parking properly - if you do this then the police, traffic wardens or parking companies don't bother you in the slightest. You're championing the motorist and making it public that any fines or invoices are meaningless, but it does nothing positive in the long term.

[No User Name]

 

Some low life on here has even admitted to not paying at the Northern General hospital because they knew there was nothing that could be done.

 

Hello!!! **waves**

[Eater Sundae]

In fact most people are very good about not using either disabled bays or mother and child bays.

 

Perfectly possible to arrange disabled parking near the entrance and to stop non-disabled people using it. It might take some members of staff at busy times and of course that is not what PPC's want to do. Their business model is predicated on being able to issue "fines".

 

The chances are that Meadowhall's planning permission was granted on the premise that it would always be free. If they are issuing fines that is broken.

 

 

I don’t know the contractual relationship between Meadowhall and the Parking Company. Do Meadowhall pay them to manage their property, or do they pay Meadowhall for the opportunity to (try to) charge people who park incorrectly? Either way, the tide is continuing to turn. Soon, the Parking Companies will no longer operate as they do now, once the financial model is understood by everyone. If they are not making enough money to cover their costs and make a healthy profit, then they will either pull out of the business or try and make Meadowhall cover the costs.

 

Companies such as Mothercare, Staples and Decathlon near the bottom of the Moor might feel the need to actively do something to manage their parking and stop people working nearby from parking there all day, but I doubt that Meadowhall would really care. The vast majority of people parking there are actually shopping or working there. They are not using it as free parking while they go somewhere else. If push came to shove, and it was going to cost (more) money, I think Meadowhall would just not bother.

 

So, with no Parking Company covering the site, would Meadowhall itself want to run its own parking control business? I doubt it. Why bother? If Meadowhall became a draconian parking enforcer, it might drive customers away. On the other hand, if it let anyone park where they wanted, who would it upset? Maybe a few irate motorists who have been blocked in by someone who knows that there will be no comeback on him, plus the lost custom from those disabled people who can no longer park near enough to the entrance to make their visit possible.

 

Meadowhall are required to provide disabled parking. Are they legally required to manage that parking? If not, then IMO, the biggest losers will be those people who rely on disabled parking facilities.

[pitsmoorlad]

Do you have any evidence of this though, because there are plenty of posts on here which state that people don't agree with parent and child bays and use them regardless, same with people using disabled bays just to quickly nip into a shop.

 

Some low life on here has even admitted to not paying at the Northern General hospital because they knew there was nothing that could be done.

 

 

 

So how do you propose this is done then? Meadowhall staff constantly patrolling the disabled bays and stopping anyone who doesn't have a blue badge? Its already been shown that you don't need a blue badge to use the spaces.

 

Its all very well using the honour system and hoping people abide by it, but if they did then there would be no speed or red light cameras (or if there were there would be no income from them), no need for traffic wardens or parking companies.

 

Same with talking about barriers. A barrier is not some instant fix, it doesn't stop people using disabled spaces or taking up two spaces.

 

When it comes to driving, people just don't care about others. As long as they get parked up close to their destination.

 

And this is what you seem to be ignoring, as well as the simple task of just driving and parking properly - if you do this then the police, traffic wardens or parking companies don't bother you in the slightest. You're championing the motorist and making it public that any fines or invoices are meaningless, but it does nothing positive in the long term.

 

wow, this seems to be an endless argument doesn't it. Look Alcresearch, I think that able bodied people who park in disabled bays are inconsiderate low-lifes. I think that people without kids who park in the "parent & child " bays are inconsiderate numpties. BUT, and it's a big BUT, the parking companies are not entitled to issue "fines" or "invoices" because they are un-enforcable. There's a big difference here between moral indignation, and a shady company trying to gain money by false pretense and lies.