It looks like the BNP are right after all

[Lotusflower]

I have never seen tomatoes from Saudi Arabia; they are usually Spain or Israel.

 

This is an intersting read.

 

The Hidden Price of Food from China

 

When the Chinese people demand a life style closer to ours they won’t be able to feed their own people let alone supply food to the rest of the world.

 

China Overtakes U.S. as Largest Crop Importer,

 

But they are not supplying food to the rest of the world are they. They are supplying some admittedly but not in the quantities you seem to be suggesting.

When you talk of them demanding a life style closer to ours how are you seeing that as a reason for them being unable to feed their own people?

 

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So your family didn't dig for victory then?

 

My father did some digging of a different kind. He was a miner. My mother was a munitions worker at Thorpe Arch in York. No is the answer.

[ronthenekred]

I can hear the daggers coming out of their sheaths from here, wonder who's playing Brute.

 

I think you mean votes. I think you'll find the BNP more prone to blades. Anyway, Griffin is a remnant of time.

[maxmaximus]

But they are not supplying food to the rest of the world are they. They are supplying some admittedly but not in the quantities you seem to be suggesting.

When you talk of them demanding a life style closer to ours how are you seeing that as a reason for them being unable to feed their own people?

 

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My father did some digging of a different kind. He was a miner. My mother was a munitions worker at Thorpe Arch in York. No is the answer.

 

China's food export reached US$2.62 billion in March,

 

China’s Growth as Food Exporter

 

The Chinese people won’t allow themselves to be the world’s slave forever.

The fast majority of China’s population consume much less than the poorest British resident, if and when the Chinese people increase their consumption to match ours they will have to become a net importer of food and other commodities.

[retep]

I think you mean votes. I think you'll find the BNP more prone to blades. Anyway, Griffin is a remnant of time.

 

 

Perhaps they'll be able to have a pint together and reminisce how it could have been, one if only he had let his party have a vote, and the other if only he'd kept his promises and let the whole country have a referendum.

[johncocker]

Lack of space? Only 2.27% of England's land is built on. That includes a lot of brownfield sites that could be turned into housing, schools, etc.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18623096

 

Whether it would be desitable to keep building is another argument but there is no shortage of space.

 

 

Everyone deserves somewhere decent to live. But, with evergrowing population, the capacity to provide decent places to live shrinks. Continually chasing population growth by perpetually building yet more houses and perpetually expanding our urban areas is just mindlessly following trends - it is not a solution. After the probably soon-to-come wave of housebuilding has been completed, the houses will inevitably fill up, and we'll end up in exactly the same situation in a few decades - so the problem never gets solved - in fact the situation is worse because there's now less free land and fewer resources to support a larger population. We should stop being so mindless and take control of our own societies by pushing for policies and personal choices that support a steady-state population (or even one that declines to a lower stable level).

 

The only responses people ever seem to give to this are just accusations of tin-foil-hattery or even bigotry - never actually contributions to an actual long-term solution to the problem.

 

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Unfortunately people don’t just need houses, they need land for producing food, about 1 acre per person to produce everything we need, so if we use every inch of land in the UK for producing what we need we can support 51 million people, but much of the UK can’t be used for anything. For the UK to be self sufficient we would need to reduce the population to about 20 million.

 

 

 

in the Marxist fantasy world the problem is the few fields that have not been turned into so called social housing. For the dilettantes safely ensconced in well off towns and suburbs, inner London is just a fuzzy idea at which lots of placards can be waived. the left never venture into such areas in fact most of them could not point to them on a map, yet in their mind they have all the answers.

[Green Web]

Everyone deserves somewhere decent to live. But, with evergrowing population, the capacity to provide decent places to live shrinks. Continually chasing population growth by perpetually building yet more houses and perpetually expanding our urban areas is just mindlessly following trends - it is not a solution. After the probably soon-to-come wave of housebuilding has been completed, the houses will inevitably fill up, and we'll end up in exactly the same situation in a few decades - so the problem never gets solved - in fact the situation is worse because there's now less free land and fewer resources to support a larger population. We should stop being so mindless and take control of our own societies by pushing for policies and personal choices that support a steady-state population (or even one that declines to a lower stable level).

 

The only responses people ever seem to give to this are just accusations of tin-foil-hattery or even bigotry - never actually contributions to an actual long-term solution to the problem.

 

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in the Marxist fantasy world the problem is the few fields that have not been turned into so called social housing. For the dilettantes safely ensconced in well off towns and suburbs, inner London is just a fuzzy idea at which lots of placards can be waived. the left never venture into such areas in fact most of them could not point to them on a map, yet in their mind they have all the answers.

 

We have plenty of space and only 2.27% of the UK is actually built upon, most of our food is imported but even if it wasn't there's now eco-scrapers which would easily produce enough food to feed most of the nation.

[LeMaquis]

People with strong political views can never seem to answer the lack of Space issues..

 

Lack of space? Only 2.27% of England's land is built on.

 

in the Marxist fantasy world the problem is the few fields that have not been turned into so called social housing.

 

Having being shown that your claim about lack of space is wrong you ignore the evidence that disproves your argument and instead talk about fantasy and a few fields.

 

Doesn't it occur to you that denying reality in the face of all evidence being against you, you are the one in a fantasy world? Immigration isn't going to stop. You can invent any argument you like but immigration isn't going to stop.

[maxmaximus]

Having being shown that your claim about lack of space is wrong you ignore the evidence that disproves your argument and instead talk about fantasy and a few fields.

 

Doesn't it occur to you that denying reality in the face of all evidence being against you, you are the one in a fantasy world? Immigration isn't going to stop. You can invent any argument you like but immigration isn't going to stop.

 

You haven't proved him wrong, you just told us what we already knew, that only a small part of the UK is built over, you haven’t got close to demonstrating that we can build on the rest without the consequences of more flooding and lack of space to grow crops and produce food.

As the population increases the amount of land that is built on will increase, but the amount of farm land will also need to increase, how do you propose to increase farm land?

 

Agriculture in the United Kingdom uses around 70% of the country's land area and can only provide 60% of our food, the rest is built over or as very little use, eg. moor lands, mountainous, lake district, Pennines.

[Halibut]

Immigration isn't going to stop. You can invent any argument you like but immigration isn't going to stop.

 

Nor should it. Best learn how to make the best of it and stop whinging.

[maxmaximus]

Nor should it. Best learn how to make the best of it and stop whinging.

 

You do understand that this is discussion forum and that we are just having a discussion, and that there is no requirement for you take part if it doesn’t interest you.