I1L2T3 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 building social housing (as per the thread) just moves money, it doesn`t create anything, your going to spend more than the investor coming from abroad will pay back. Building houses (both social and private in the right locations and at the right levels of affordability) achieves a number of things. 1. It provides construction employment, infrastructure employment too 2. It generates business for companies that provide construction materials 3. It brings unused and under-utilised land into more effective economic use 4. It meets unmet housing demand, reducing house prices and rental costs 5. Lower housing costs give people more disposable income to spend in the wider economy 6. Lower housing costs have a big impact on overall living costs making it easier for employers to pay a living wage 7. Lower housing costs could lead to a significant reduction in the housing benefits bill 8. Providing affordable, flexible housing in economically sustainable locations makes the workforce more mobile and flexible. It is easier to move to where the work opportunities are. 9. In areas where new housing is built opportunities arise for service sector employment, small business etc.... ---------- Post added 17-01-2013 at 19:12 ---------- Just to show what a pack of lies this thread is based on. http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/development/-figures-show-rise-in-house-building-work/6524868.article Figures show rise in house building work 3 December 2012 | By Rhiannon Bury House building picked up in the three months to November, according to figures published today. Glenigan’s construction index shows a 50 per cent increase in new private house building work compared with the same period last year, and an 11 per cent increase in social housing work. The rise in private housing follows a generally positive trend, but the social housing figures are a sharp reversal following seven months showing year on year declines. However Glenigan warned the figures should be regarded cautiously. Economist Andrew Whiffin said: ‘The turnaround in the sector is a bit of a shock but the steep increase this month has a lot to do with the weakness of the sector at the end of last year rather than any strength in the latest data. Fundamentally little has changed and cuts to capital budgets will continue to weigh heavily on the sector.’ He added that government measures to increase house building are having an impact on private sector development, but lack of investment is continuing to hit social housing. You need to compare the number of starts to previous years, not just to a year when the number of new starts were very low. 50% of very little is still very little. 10% of a lot is more than 50% of very little. I think you will find there's no pack of lies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Glypta Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 You need to compare the number of starts to previous years, not just to a year when the number of new starts were very low. 50% of very little is still very little. 10% of a lot is more than 50% of very little. I think you will find there's no pack of lies! Well as the OP claims " Housebuilding at lowest level since the 1920's!" if it is higher than any year since the 1920s then the OP is a pack of lies. I'm surprised that logic got by you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Well as the OP claims " Housebuilding at lowest level since the 1920's!" if it is higher than any year since the 1920s then the OP is a pack of lies. I'm surprised that logic got by you. You haven't proven that have you. You've based your pack of lies line of argument on a statistic that shows that certain types of builds for 50% up on the same month in the previous year, the previous year being a very poor one in terms of new starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Glypta Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 You haven't proven that have you. You've based your pack of lies line of argument on a statistic that shows that certain types of builds for 50% up on the same month in the previous year, the previous year being a very poor one in terms of new starts. But not as the OP claims the lowest level since the 1920s. Perhaps if you took your red goggles off you might see a bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gym_rat Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Building houses (both social and private in the right locations and at the right levels of affordability) achieves a number of things. 1. It provides construction employment, infrastructure employment too 2. It generates business for companies that provide construction materials 3. It brings unused and under-utilised land into more effective economic use 4. It meets unmet housing demand, reducing house prices and rental costs 5. Lower housing costs give people more disposable income to spend in the wider economy 6. Lower housing costs have a big impact on overall living costs making it easier for employers to pay a living wage 7. Lower housing costs could lead to a significant reduction in the housing benefits bill 8. Providing affordable, flexible housing in economically sustainable locations makes the workforce more mobile and flexible. It is easier to move to where the work opportunities are. 9. In areas where new housing is built opportunities arise for service sector employment, small business etc.... ! thats the text book answer, doesn`t happen like that in real life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 thats the text book answer, doesn`t happen like that in real life Yes it does if planned correctly. It did in th 1930s when it was one of the major factors in pulling us out of a depression. And the 1960s a housing expansion helped fuel growth too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gym_rat Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Yes it does if planned correctly. It did in th 1930s when it was one of the major factors in pulling us out of a depression. And the 1960s a housing expansion helped fuel growth too. but that was before private ownership became prevalent, have a drive round some of the new estates in Worksop or even Barlborough one shop, no industry, no added jobs, prices driven higher and misery all round same thing will happen at Waverley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 But not as the OP claims the lowest level since the 1920s. Perhaps if you took your red goggles off you might see a bit better. You still having disproven it. You might well be (technically) right but I'm taking issue with your argument that doesn't prove that you are. Here's a bit more background on the claims anyway: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/dec/28/coalition-preside-level-house-building Not exactly a pack of lies, more a stark warning based on research by a CONSERVATIVE think tank. ---------- Post added 17-01-2013 at 20:00 ---------- but that was before private ownership became prevalent, have a drive round some of the new estates in Worksop or even Barlborough one shop, no industry, no added jobs, prices driven higher and misery all round same thing will happen at Waverley The 1930s actually saw an explosion in levels of private house building and ownership. Keep trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gym_rat Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 The 1930s actually saw an explosion in levels of private house building and ownership. Keep trying yes, as a result of the new building work your talking about, lose the sarcasm mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 yes, as a result of the new building work your talking about, lose the sarcasm mate. That's a great argument for more house building don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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