Is The Miners Strike Still Vivid In Your Mind?

[gnvqsos]

Sheffield has high unemployment because it has been run by socialists since forever and so many of our youth have appalling attitudes to work and think they are entitled to a good living simply for existing, despite having no marketable skills to speak of. Other northern cities such as Manchester, Leeds and the aforementioned Newcastle have largely moved on, cities such as Sheffield and Liverpool (and Glasgow) are still stuck in the 70s and suffer for it.

 

Actually Sheffield has a LIb Dem administration until recently.Newcastle has a higher unemployment rate so once again the presentation of evidence dissolves any credibility you might have brought to the table.Have you ever considered being a little less predictable in your strategies?

[Ridgewalk]

It's interesting that the further we get from the Thatcher years the more rose tinted the view of her time in office becomes. A lot of those who take a postive slant on her policies don't seem to have been around at the time or old enough to have been politically aware.

 

It's also noticeable that those who react most strongly against criminals don't make the link with the selfish individualism that characterised her politics and phillosophy.

[gnvqsos]

It's interesting that the further we get from the Thatcher years the more rose tinted the view of her time in office becomes. A lot of those who take a postive slant on her policies don't seem to have been around at the time or old enough to have been politically aware.

 

It's also noticeable that those who react most strongly against criminals don't make the link with the selfish individualism that characterised her politics and phillosophy.

 

Hattersley once heard the following comment

 

"You do realise that the Japanese and Koreans hold MrsT in high regard?"

 

"In my experience fondness deepens exponentially with distance travelled from the woman"

[maxmaximus]

The houses were the property of the NCB,effectively tied cottages.Very few miners lived in council properties.The right to buy preceded the strike by several years anyway.Like I said,you stick to teaching PE and I will deal with both History,and Politics,even Economics if pushed.

 

My father was a miner living in a council house until he bought it off the council at a discount, the estate that was built for miners is also now mainly private with few that are now council houses. The old pit houses were transferred to the council at some point And sold off under right to buy.

[solero]

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I did point out that Mrs Thatcher never achieved universal approval,not even approval from a simple majority of the electorate who chose to vote.The data provided to challenge this point has focused on seats won,a different concept altogether.

 

you just have no knowledge of electoral arithmetic. Since 1945 NOBODY HAS EVER got more than 50% of the vote in the British parliamentary system, there has always been too many minor parties so that even when the two-party system was at its height, from 1945-59 and almost everybody was voting either Labour or Conservative, nobody got to 50%.

 

in the interwar years there was one freak election in 1935 where the Tories got 55%, largely because the Labour party split into two for that election.

 

the period where voters have shown the strongest and the most consistent loyalty to a particular party in history, was 1979-92, when the Tory vote held up at around 42-43% over four elections, better than anybody else has ever managed.

[gnvqsos]

My father was a miner living in a council house until he bought it off the council at a discount, the estate that was built for miners is also now mainly private with few that are now council houses. The old pit houses were transferred to the council at some point And sold off under right to buy.

 

I hope your dad is enjoying his retirement and the benefits of home ownership.

 

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you just have no knowledge of electoral arithmetic. Since 1945 NOBODY HAS EVER got more than 50% of the vote in the British parliamentary system, there has always been too many minor parties so that even when the two-party system was at its height, from 1945-59 and almost everybody was voting either Labour or Conservative, nobody got to 50%.

 

in the interwar years there was one freak election in 1935 where the Tories got 55%, largely because the Labour party split into two for that election.

 

the period where voters have shown the strongest and the most consistent loyalty to a particular party in history, was 1979-92, when the Tory vote held up at around 42-43% over four elections, better than anybody else has ever managed.

 

Are you a psephologist?The term popular vote is a measure of how many people voted not seats won and a simple majority was never gained,as your figures confirm.Why present data which completely undermines your chosen standpoint?Are you familiar with the work of Butler and Stokes,Crosby and Nash,Young and Stills?

[gym_rat]

The houses were the property of the NCB,effectively tied cottages.Very few miners lived in council properties.The right to buy preceded the strike by several years anyway.Like I said,you stick to teaching PE and I will deal with both History,and Politics,even Economics if pushed.

 

 

and like I said -stop taking the man juice,

 

the Birk Hill Estate and Castle Hill (ie the ones I`m talking about) were and still are NEDDC.

 

that`s before we get to Killamarsh and Mastin Moor, the pay off enabled the miners to buy them under RTB

 

try and remember the world is bigger than your front room.

 

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It's interesting that the further we get from the Thatcher years the more rose tinted the view of her time in office becomes. A lot of those who take a postive slant on her policies don't seem to have been around at the time or old enough to have been politically aware.

 

she was respected enough at the time to be voted in thrice

 

 

It's also noticeable that those who react most strongly against criminals don't make the link with the selfish individualism that characterised her politics and phillosophy.

 

 

that makes no sense whatsoever

[gnvqsos]

and like I said -stop taking the man juice,

 

the Birk Hill Estate and Castle Hill (ie the ones I`m talking about) were and still are NEDDC.

 

that`s before we get to Killamarsh and Mastin Moor, the pay off enabled the miners to buy them under RTB

 

try and remember the world is bigger than your front room.

 

Thanks for that,but I seldom get to Killamarsh these days-it seems to have lost many of ts attractions.I take it you are a local-is it worth an excursion for the shops and restaurants?

 

We don't have a front room in our house ,just a lounge,drawing room,with a large dining room overlooking the front garden,and the valley beyond.

 

Have you heard of Spencerism?

[neepsendlane]

What, strong men can't work in an office ???? Bizarre. Newcastle suffered at the hands of the Tories and have turned it into a really vibrant city. I'd wager their unemployment figures aren't as bad either.

Of course some! strong men can work in the office read the post as it is and not how you perceive it to be .

[maxmaximus]

I hope your dad is enjoying his retirement and the benefits of home ownership.

 

Sadly very few miners got to enjoy retirement because of mining related diseases or early death; he was in both groups. The younger miners were lucky that many of mines closed and had the opportunity to find an alternative careers doing something with fewer health risks.