andygardener Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 It's how you define being treated differently. Allowed a freedom to spout their views, yes unquestionably. But, the elected representatives should also be allowed to judge upon whether a political argument exists too far on the edge of the political margins for them to allow our money to be spent on promoting it. No they shouldn't. They're already getting our money via the commission. In my view not one of them should get a penny. But as they sadly do at the moment get it to allow the majority to suck off the taxpayers teet and deny their elected political enemies our money is profoundly antidemocratic. I really don't get why this is proving so complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 No they shouldn't. They're already getting our money via the commission. In my view not one of them should get a penny. But as they sadly do at the moment get it to allow the majority to suck off the taxpayers teet and deny their elected political enemies our money is profoundly antidemocratic. I really don't get why this is proving so complicated. And that's how it should be, State funding for political parties leads to arrogance, corruption and authoritarianism http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100200358/state-funding-for-political-parties-leads-to-arrogance-corruption-and-in-the-end-arbitrary-rule/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karis Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Its amazing how Sheffield Forum believes in freedom of speech and the right to vote for any political party... as long as it's the "right" political party or the right belief system. So many comments on illegal activities... like the current political parties haven't been involved with countless crimes, and those are just the ones the media has uncovered... Just something I've observed about this forum over the many years I've been here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaximus Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 It's how you define being treated differently. Allowed a freedom to spout their views, yes unquestionably. But, the elected representatives should also be allowed to judge upon whether a political argument exists too far on the edge of the political margins for them to allow our money to be spent on promoting it. You say our money shouldn't be given to parties like the BNP, but some of that money was paid into the system by BNP members and supporters of the BNP, I imagining they don’t want their money being given to the other parties. Not sure we should have a system in which the voted representatives have the power to disallow one parties funding, whist allowing another parties funding, it wouldn’t be a stretch for the elected members to ban other parties or even elections once they have power. The way to fight the BNP is for the major parties to gain some appeal and attract the people that vote for the BNP. ---------- Post added 04-02-2013 at 07:56 ---------- Its amazing how Sheffield Forum believes in freedom of speech and the right to vote for any political party... as long as it's the "right" political party or the right belief system. So many comments on illegal activities... like the current political parties haven't been involved with countless crimes, and those are just the ones the media has uncovered... Just something I've observed about this forum over the many years I've been here. I agree, anyone would think the other parties have a very high moral code that they follow relentlessly, unfortunately corruption and lies are part of politics and to penalise one party and not them all would be a tad hypocritical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnvqsos Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 You say our money shouldn't be given to parties like the BNP, but some of that money was paid into the system by BNP members and supporters of the BNP, I imagining they don’t want their money being given to the other parties. Not sure we should have a system in which the voted representatives have the power to disallow one parties funding, whist allowing another parties funding, it wouldn’t be a stretch for the elected members to ban other parties or even elections once they have power. The way to fight the BNP is for the major parties to gain some appeal and attract the people that vote for the BNP. ---------- Post added 04-02-2013 at 07:56 ---------- I agree, anyone would think the other parties have a very high moral code that they follow relentlessly, unfortunately corruption and lies are part of politics and to penalise one party and not them all would be a tad hypocritical. The MPs are not the party merely the current representatives.The rank and file of the principal parties are not corrupt,or tainted.I am not sure that the membership of the BNP are of an equal pedigree,or intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaximus Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 The MPs are not the party merely the current representatives.The rank and file of the principal parties are not corrupt,or tainted.I am not sure that the membership of the BNP are of an equal pedigree,or intellect. What gives you that impression? Membership of the BNP is a diverse group from teachers, doctors and even the police, although serving police officers will are still discriminated against because of their political affiliations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnvqsos Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 What gives you that impression? Membership of the BNP is a diverse group from teachers, doctors and even the police, although serving police officers will are still discriminated against because of their political affiliations. Well the rank and file do not place false expenses claims for compensation. To add the police to the ranks of BNP does suggest some level of corruption present,given recent deaths in custody,the debacle over Hillsborough and Orgreave,the phone hacking incidents and other events reported in the last twelve month. I think you may regret adding that profession to your golden frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaximus Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Well the rank and file do not place false expenses claims for compensation. To add the police to the ranks of BNP does suggest some level of corruption present,given recent deaths in custody,the debacle over Hillsborough and Orgreave,the phone hacking incidents and other events reported in the last twelve month. I think you may regret adding that profession to your golden frame. The MPs are not the party merely the current representatives.The rank and file of the principal parties are not corrupt,or tainted.I am not sure that the membership of the BNP are of an equal pedigree,or intellect. What the hell are you talking about; I didn’t add anyone to anything, I just explained why your above statement is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Its amazing how Sheffield Forum believes in freedom of speech and the right to vote for any political party... as long as it's the "right" political party or the right belief system. So many comments on illegal activities... like the current political parties haven't been involved with countless crimes, and those are just the ones the media has uncovered... Just something I've observed about this forum over the many years I've been here. How many people actually tried to deny this right though? Surely freedom of speech also allows people the right to criticise things that they believe to be wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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