flamingjimmy Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Here's one, and no one as answered the question yet. I'll gladly answer, I've opposed the discrimination as soon as I was old enough to understand it, and gay people have been discriminated against under all previous governments, yes. And yes, Homophobia, fear of making waves and apathy are to blame. Now, how about you answer the question that's been put to you several times, I'm interested too. You say that you think both sides make good points. I would like to know which good points you think exist on the anti-gay marriage side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaliRichard Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Because it's already been answered. But here's another answer. I think harvey19 had a good point and I can understand his reasons for not supporting gay marriage, although I got the feeling he wouldn’t actually oppose it either. Where specifically have you answered the question I put to you? If you think Harvey wouldn't oppose it is clearly not an example of a good idea from those that oppose gay marriage is it. Why don't you just answer the question instead of these pitiful attempts at avoiding it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Where specifically have you answered the question I put to you? If you think Harvey wouldn't oppose it is clearly not an example of a good idea from those that oppose gay marriage is it. Why don't you just answer the question instead of these pitiful attempts at avoiding it? Many people use the same reasons that Harvey presented has their reasons for opposeing gay marriage. Believing that marriage is the union of one man and one women is a reasonable stance in my opinion and doesn’t make the person holding that opinion a bigot or homophobic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaliRichard Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Many people use the same reasons that Harvey presented has their reasons for opposeing gay marriage. Believing that marriage is the union of one man and one women is a reasonable stance in my opinion and doesn’t make the person holding that opinion a bigot or homophobic. Right, at last, we're beginning to get somewhere. So now we have to investigate what is behind someone who believes marriage should specifically be between one man and one woman. As you agree that marriage should be the union of one man and one woman why do you think that? Why is it a reasoned argument? ---------- Post added 13-02-2013 at 16:22 ---------- I've got to go to work now, have a think Mr Smith and I'll catch up in a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 As you agree that marriage should be the union of one man and one woman why do you think that? Can you not see a difference between what I actually said and what you think I said? Believing that marriage is the union of one man and one women is a reasonable stance in my opinion and doesn’t make the person holding that opinion a bigot or homophobic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Can you not see a difference between what I actually said and what you think I said? Saying that you think marriage should be the union of one man and one woman is 'reasonable' is effectively the same as saying you agree that marriage should be the union of one man and one woman. You are being asked therefore, why you think it should be one man and one woman. Are you claiming that to 'agree with' and 'to find reasonable' are not essentially the same? If you believe it's 'reasonable' to argue that marriage should be the union of one man and one woman that implies that you can back that view with a reason, so, again, why do you think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem8634 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Right, at last, we're beginning to get somewhere. So now we have to investigate what is behind someone who believes marriage should specifically be between one man and one woman. As you agree that marriage should be the union of one man and one woman why do you think that? Why is it a reasoned argument? ---------- Post added 13-02-2013 at 16:22 ---------- I've got to go to work now, have a think Mr Smith and I'll catch up in a bit. Can you not see a difference between what I actually said and what you think I said? In that case why do you think that believing marriage is the union of one man and one women is a reasonable stance? (Apologies to PaliRich for standing in as his proxy whilst he's unavailable but this is how I guess he might respond to yet more Smithesque evasion- I'll leave any further responses to him.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaliRichard Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Can you not see a difference between what I actually said and what you think I said? I specifically asked you what you thought was a good idea from those opposed to gay marriage. You said in response to me Believing that marriage is the union of one man and one women is a reasonable stance in my opinion[/Quote] so in this context I pass you to Mr Halibut Saying that you think marriage should be the union of one man and one woman is 'reasonable' is effectively the same as saying you agree that marriage should be the union of one man and one woman[/Quote] and although I appreciate Mike's efforts I know full well you'll try to worm your way out of giving a straight answer so I will merely return to the original question (again) and ask you to respond accordingly. What do you think are the 'good ideas' that those opposed to gay marriage have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I specifically asked you what you thought was a good idea from those opposed to gay marriage. You said in response to me so in this context I pass you to Mr Halibut and although I appreciate Mike's efforts I know full well you'll try to worm your way out of giving a straight answer so I will merely return to the original question (again) and ask you to respond accordingly. What do you think are the 'good ideas' that those opposed to gay marriage have? We will have to agree to disagree, because whatever I type appears to mean something entirely different to me than it means to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem8634 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 and although I appreciate Mike's efforts I know full well you'll try to worm your way out of giving a straight answer so I will merely return to the original question (again) and ask you to respond accordingly. No problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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