stereolab Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Absolutely unbelievable that he would say this. Look at what he's actually said - not that he doesn't agree with it, but that it is 'clearly something that two same-sex partners can't do' Why not? Does he feel the same way about single parents too? Or is it just when there are TWO men or women that they lose the ability to look after children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Here we go..... The Welsh Secretary said in an interview that "I regard marriage as an institution that has developed over many centuries, essentially for the provision of a warm and safe environment for the upbringing of children, which is clearly something that two same-sex partners can't do" Er yes they can Mr Jones, they already do. He went onto say that he had important people in his life who are gay - a bit like someone who prefixes a racist remark with "some of my best friends are black". Anyway I wonder if Mr Jones has told those 'important people in his life' that they would make unfit parents? http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/feb/15/gay-couples-children-welsh-secretary A lot of people hold views like this but often seem unable to explain them when asked. ---------- Post added 15-02-2013 at 16:44 ---------- Absolutely unbelievable that he would say this. Look at what he's actually said - not that he doesn't agree with it, but that it is 'clearly something that two same-sex partners can't do' Why not? Does he feel the same way about single parents too? Or is it just when there are TWO men or women that they lose the ability to look after children? Not only that, he thinks marriage is about having children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica23 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 The cynic in me thinks that Cameron will stand by him to appease the vast swathes of his party who were against the equal marriage bill... Here's the reaction from a gay parent: It's outrageous that there's someone at a senior level of government who can say such things. To my mind it's hate speech. If David Cameron wants to prove that the right wing has abandoned its nasty side, he needs to react strongly to this. I can't see how David Jones can remain in a senior position and I don't think he should. Whether the prime minister has the resolve to do anything about it remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 What a total jackass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem8634 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I am still unaware of an argument in opposition to same-sex marriage that can remain standing after a little time in the sunshine of reason, logic and evidence. This intervention from David Jones is just more nonsensical opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Interesting lack of people springing to his defence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Threads merged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaliRichard Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Right, as some posters on here find it really, really difficult to actually make things clear I'm going to pose an open question to those who are against same sex union. I promise I wont call anyone bigoted or homophobic for their opinion (although I can't guarantee that other posters wont, although I would implore other posters not to so there can be no excuse for not answering), but what I would like is you sticking to the rules of the question to allow for easy analysis of the answer. If you are against same sex marriage, or you think those that are have legitimate reasons for being so (to make this clear this means you agree with some of their reasoning)* would you mind detailing those reasons in a list format so we can go into each one on its own merit. For example; 1. first reason 2. second reason etc. and (this is the important bit) sticking around so that when I pose follow up questions to establish the rational behind those reasons we can have an actual debate. *This distinction is important to avoid those who agree with some of the reasoning behind being anti same sex union but wouldn't claim to be anti it themselves (anyone in particular ) claiming that they respect the right that opinion. I fully respect their right to hold that opinion, but this is totally different to agreeing with specific elements of it, a distinction some apparently find difficult to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 So would it be acceptable for someone to marry their own brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaliRichard Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 So would it be acceptable for someone to marry their own brother. Go on then, explain the reasoning behind that bizarre statement. Would it be acceptable for a man to marry his own sister? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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