esme Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 This bill wasn't mentioned in the manifesto,If i had known Cameron was going to do this i wouldn't have been out campaigning for the party at the last election.To be fair there are a lot of bills that go through parliament after an election that don't get mentioned in party manifesto's, before they are elected. How did your MP vote on this issue ? Did you make them aware of your feelings before the vote ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 Ah, the dear, dear, completely round the bend old lady that is the Church of England. There's more than a faint whiff of hypocrisy about the CoE's position, from it's own pretence that gay vicars live together but don't have sex, to the fact the the entire establishment only exists because the church wouldn't let somebody get married! Whilst their position on gay marriage isn't legally sustainable much further into the future, it would be a compromise if they could carry on discriminating in return for handing back their seats in the lawmaking chambers of Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janie48 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 You seem to still misunderstand the situation Janie,Cameron is trying to protect the Church Maybe i am a little confused,i don't think i'm the only one judging by the little detail i've read in the papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaximus Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 1. A civil partnership cannot include any religious music, symbols or holy text readings 2. A same sex couple are excluded from the "great institution of marriage" which is supposed to be important to society 3. A civil partnership does not require any vows or agreements to be made between the couple May 18th, 2012 The first UK civil partnership between homosexual persons was officially registered in a Unitarian Church in Liverpool between a self-described Catholic, and a self- described Anglican. The self-described Catholic is a member of Quest, a group dissenting from the Church’s teaching on sexuality. According to The Tablet, ‘The event included an interesting ‘liturgical innovation’, with a trained owl flying the length of the Grade-1 listed building to deliver the rings to the best man. ‘The Gospel was read by a religious sister of the Bethlehem Community in Liverpool’, which is part of the self-described LGBT ‘Ecumenical Catholic Church’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barleycorn Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 But they will now be exposed to huge pressure and demonstrations- possibly violent, to perform what is now (or soon will be legal). Before they didnt have this issue to contend with. How long before the first priest gets attacked for standing his ground. That argument was trotted out when civil partnerships were proposed. Nothing happened. Maybe the church should move with the times and change it's stance, you like it did with the optional removal of the work 'obey' from the wedding vows. Or would you rather women still had to swear to obey their husbands? jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esme Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 But they will now be exposed to huge pressure and demonstrations- possibly violent, to perform what is now (or soon will be legal). Before they didnt have this issue to contend with. How long before the first priest gets attacked for standing his ground.Another slippery slope argument presented with no evidence to support it, not had one of those for a while. "If we permit this then there will inevitably be violence against priests, it's just a matter of time" This is seriously, what you are saying ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quisquose Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 But they will now be exposed to huge pressure and demonstrations- possibly violent, to perform what is now (or soon will be legal). Before they didnt have this issue to contend with. How long before the first priest gets attacked for standing his ground. Just like they were after same-sex civil partnerships were allowed ... oh wait, nothing happened. I predict that your life will not change. The "Orwellian" wave of human devastation that has been predicted by all sorts of clergy will not happen. When life just goes on as normal, rather than saying sorry for trying to scare people, they will just take on board that they have become a bit more irrelevant, and move the subject of God's wrath onto something else. You will be able to attend Mass just as you always have, continue to encourage yourselves how special you are and how unspecial some other people are, clap and sing. Life will be exactly the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaximus Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Or they may debate rationally about equality... Some people do, whilst other resorts to name calling and abuse aimed those people on the opposite side of the argument, this thread demonstrates this nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barleycorn Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 May 18th, 2012 The first UK civil partnership between homosexual persons was officially registered in a Unitarian Church in Liverpool between a self-described Catholic, and a self- described Anglican. The self-described Catholic is a member of Quest, a group dissenting from the Church’s teaching on sexuality. According to The Tablet, ‘The event included an interesting ‘liturgical innovation’, with a trained owl flying the length of the Grade-1 listed building to deliver the rings to the best man. ‘The Gospel was read by a religious sister of the Bethlehem Community in Liverpool’, which is part of the self-described LGBT ‘Ecumenical Catholic Church’. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2011/2661/regulation/2/made jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaximus Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I don't understand the difference between marriage and civil partnership, I thought it was the same thing. If it is, then just get a civil partnership, and if the difference is purely religious, then...why do gays want to be married by an institution which fundamentally disagrees with what they're doing? They are the same and can even be conducted in a church and based on religion, there is no difference legally between a marriage and a civil partnership except that the former is intended only for heterosexual couples and the latter for homosexual couples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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