Cyclone Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 No one has claimed to dislike or fear gay people, it’s just an opinion you have formed which based on your prejudice belief that anyone with an opposing view to you must hate gays and must therefore be homophobic. It's an opinion formed based on the logic that anyone who argues to maintain discrimination against gay couples must have some problem with them. And regarding Buck it was formed on the basis that he "doesn't wish to see two men kissing" and "wouldn't attend a gay wedding". Simply disagreeing with me doesn't make you a homophobe, arguing to maintain discriminatory practices against them makes me think that someone is. If we all decide to abuse members that we feel are wrong then discussion will soon close down as demonstrated earlier. It's fortunate then that I haven't abused anyone. Then you made an inaccurate statement about what you think I have agreed to. That doesn't make sense. There is already equality. You've already admitted that there is not, are you now backtracking ---------- Post added 08-02-2013 at 15:52 ---------- It’s best to read the whole sentence and not just the last part of it. It would appear that you don't even understand your own statements. This is your whole sentence And the new proposals still don’t remove that discrimination because to do would just discriminated against another group of people. It clearly says that another group of people will be discriminated against. Are you going to explain who this other group is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Things are already equal because marriage isn’t better. It's better if that is the thing you want to do. If I had a choice between eggs and ham, and the state said I couldn't have ham because I was gay - then I'd want a good reason for not being allowed my choice. "Better" is subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem8634 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Who gives you the authority to decide who or what is wrong and that its appropriate to abuse someone. I think you are wrong so should I now abuse you? I've agree that discrimination exists in all aspects of life and that it’s not possible to remove it. It the level of discrimination that matters and they aren't decimated against to the point of it being unfair or a disadvantage. And the new proposals still don’t remove that discrimination because to do would just discriminated against another group of people. In my opinion no one has given a rational reason why marriage is better than a civil partnerships. Seeing as you are concerned with authority, who gives you the authority to decide what is and isn't significant discrimination? Generally speaking (not aimed at you Max) it takes a peculiar arrogance to discount the voice of those who are suffering the discrimination whilst sitting comfortably in the entitled group. You seem very happy with your devil's advocacy Max, whilst maintaining your own indifferent neutrality. Out of curiosity can you see the argument in favour of same-sex marriage as clearly as you profess to grasp the position against? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaximus Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Not allowing some parts of society the same legal rights is equal in what way? They have the same legal rights, marriage and civil partnerships are equal in law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Discrimination is normal human behaviour, it happens every day, everywhere. It’s the level of discrimination that matters and this is more trivial that many other discriminatory practices against other people. Are you attempting to backtrack on this statement, you finally accepted that it's discriminator, and now you seem to have regressed back to page 2 where you were claiming that excluding a group of people from marriage isn't discrimination. It's plain to everyone that it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Out of curiosity can you see the argument in favour of same-sex marriage as clearly as you profess to grasp the position against? He opposes it. Nearly 70 posts and his words scream opposition. The man's just a coward who won't declare his position. He hides behind his odd linguistic gymnastics. ---------- Post added 08-02-2013 at 16:01 ---------- They have the same legal rights, marriage and civil partnerships are equal in law. No they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 They have the same legal rights, marriage and civil partnerships are equal in law. They are not the same, if they were they would have the same description. What is your objection to changing the law so that they have the same description? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthenekred Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Things are already equal because marriage isn’t better. If you can't explain why marriage is better than a civil partnership then they must be equal and not discriminatory.. Why do two institutions need to exist in order to cater for equality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 He opposes it. Nearly 70 posts and his words scream opposition. The man's just a coward who won't declare his position. He hides behind his odd linguistic gymnastics. I have to agree there. His position is plainly obvious, he just won't admit that he holds it. Weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusflower Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Thank you for an excellent post. If SF suffers from one problem it is that the lesser side of a debate gets piled on with accusations and insults. Its like being in a school full of bullies. I admit that I like to go to church, that's my business and nobody elses. I also admit that I don't like the term marriage used on gays. I have no problem with equal status in the way of entitlements, but I will not go to a gay wedding and watch gay men kissing each other. I was raised in a different Sheffield a long time ago, and am just too old to change my ways. Let them continue to throw out the rants. I'm used to it, and quite frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. The part I highlighted tells me things about you that I wish I didn't know Buck. I'm open minded enough to accept you for your bigotry and wish you well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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