Tony Posted February 9, 2013 Author Share Posted February 9, 2013 maxmaximus, a question for you: Gay marriage - is it any of your damned business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica23 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 This issue of 'abusiveness'. I am wholly fascinated by people who are just quietly going about their business of disseminating prejudice, discrimination and general unpleasantness co-opting the language of the other side and claiming that actually, they're the victims in all this. It's complete toss. Not remotely true. You are entirely free to think whatever nasty fascistic thoughts you like in the privacy of your own head, or your own home. Just keep it out of the public domain if you don't like being called out on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 This is just like the religious threads on here. No matter what arguments are put forward no one changes their viewpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenRivers Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 This issue of 'abusiveness'. I am wholly fascinated by people who are just quietly going about their business of disseminating prejudice, discrimination and general unpleasantness co-opting the language of the other side and claiming that actually, they're the victims in all this. It's complete toss. Not remotely true. You are entirely free to think whatever nasty fascistic thoughts you like in the privacy of your own head, or your own home. Just keep it out of the public domain if you don't like being called out on it. You previously claimed on this thread that people arguing against gay marriage are adding to a "culture of homophobia" in which people are attacked. Considering your stance on here, you would admit then that your attitude towards people with different views has contributed to a culture in which MPs receive death threats for their views? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 9, 2013 Author Share Posted February 9, 2013 Nope, which is why I'm not bothered either way. So who's damned business is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Nope, which is why I'm not bothered either way. So visibly too. So visibly not bothered that you've put mountainous energy into not being bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 A few key points in the debate and my views on them (the comments in brackets are mainly for Mr.Smith/Maxmaximus) -Same sex couples are denied the right to equailty when it comes to marriage. "It's equal, just different" is a feeble and transparent argument based on technicalities which do not stand up to scrutiny (as shown in the next few points) -Same sex couples are denied the right to call themselves married (to each other), they cannot in honesty call themselves husband or wife. They are denied the right to join "the great institution of marriage" together. -Same sex couples are denied the right to have the same wedding ceremonies that opposite sex couples are permitted. Civil partnerships can be registered in religious buildings but religious services cannot be used while this is being done. (no matter how you choose to interpret that, juggle the order in which things happen or do it a little different, it is not equal or the same). -Tradition. Some will argue that it's traditional for only a man and a woman to marry. How old is this tradition? Do we go from there and skirt around the traditions of adults marrying children and women being subservient to men? Some traditions appear to be older and more convenient than others when using this argument. It is no longer tradition to marry a 12 year old child, traditions change. If same sex marriage is allowed it will soon be a tradition of it's own in a generation or two. -Religion. Does it say anywhere in the Bible (or other holy texts) that same sex marriage (not sexual intercourse) for two people who love each other should be forbidden? Even if it did, would it be yet more cherry picking as an argument amongst all the other things the Bible is speaks against but is now accepted in modern times? -Procreation. "Marriage is about procreation", really? Then why aren't people arguing about how many people get married with no intention of having kids, or can't have kids? Marriage isn't about sex or having kids. Maybe it was once, a long time ago (see section on traditions, above) -"They already have civil partnerships, which are equal, just different" They aren't equal, apart from technicalities which some seem to think are too trivial to count (see first few points), there is the social and symbolic aspect. Many homophobes and bigots will consider a ban on gay marriage as a victory and a sign that their hateful views are "right". Many homosexuals and people in favour of equality will consider it an insult and a violation of rights. Two pieces of wood, on fire. A burning cross, which is just two pieces of wood, on fire. Equal but different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barleycorn Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 No one as argued to maintain discrimination because there is no discrimination... Discrimination is the prejudicial or distinguishing treatment of an individual based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or category, such as their age, ethnicity, gender/sex, national origin, sexual orientation, religion, skin color, or other characteristics# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination The definition of descrimination would seem to prove you wrong. Same sex couples are treated differently than opposite sex couples. Civil partnership =/= marriage. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Day Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Live and let live I say - life's too short! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 My posts demonstrate that I don’t tolerate intolerance You are intolerant of intolerance. Another loop de loop from the word master himself. and this generation inherited marriage the way it is. This generation will change it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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