wednesday1 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The Tories / ConDems love to attempt to undermine the NHS claiming that it is not fit for purpose etc, to give them the excuse they need to privatise it and reward their wealthy friends. ---------- Post added 09-02-2013 at 01:12 ---------- No they aren't. The second one is an assumption without evidence and the other two are about the organisations that monitor the NHS, not the NHS themselves. Only a fool or someone who wants to use the situation to their own ideological ends would suggest that what happened at Stafford is an example of the NHS as a whole. A very perceptive assessment if ever I saw one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The Tories / ConDems love to attempt to undermine the NHS claiming that it is not fit for purpose etc, to give them the excuse they need to privatise it and reward their wealthy friends. I would like to understand exactly what the Tory ideological opposition to the NHS is. Their messages are very mixed. From their website: http://www.conservatives.com/Policy/Where_we_stand/Health.aspx "Though there is much still to do, it is clear that the NHS is achieving outcomes which are among the best in the world. We are determined to make sure this continues." If it is working pretty well, as they admit, then why make moves to break it up and sell it off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esme Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Mod Note Please attack the argument and not the person making it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erebus Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I am not sure people are aware of what PFI is all about, and how it affects the NHS and other government and council services. It is one of the finance industries most audacious slight of financial hand. "A historic act of corporate piracy" does no justice to the plundering having already, and continuing to take place. Examples in Wikipedia give a flavour of the contempt and outright swindle PFI is really all about, where with the collusion of highly paid lawyers, and accountants financial corporations swindle us all. The debt created by PFI has a significant impact on the finances of public bodies. As of October 2007 the total capital value of PFI contracts signed throughout the UK was £68bn. However, this figure pales into insignificance compared with the commitment of central and local government to pay a further £267bn[24] over the lifetime of these contracts. So over a 400% mark up on that one, money for nothing, milking a cash cow, the British Taxpayer To give regional examples, the £5.2bn of PFI investment in Scotland up to 2007 has created a public sector cash liability of £22.3bn[49] and the investment of just £618m via PFI in Wales up to 2007 has created a public sector cash liability of £3.3bn. So its not about efficiencies, its not about making the NHS a better place, its about the corporate takeover of the NHS and all publicly run institutions, so ransoming the country in order to bay the debts to the private sector, where the bonus culture and inflated salaries were cooked up in the first place. Our politicians and government employees are outclassed educationally, legally, and in fact in a every way by the corporate sector that makes the laws for the swindle in the first place. Can you imagine a government employee however highly paid, or a politician, ploughing through reams of legal documents to clarify what the clever financial industry has cooked up? There is just not enough time in life, and such overwhelming detail allows private organisations to run rings around our elected dunderheads, and we pay the bills, and have to cut services to feed the private finance greed initiative. That is why everything is under-funded, hospitals close, blame for poor management are used as the real issue is paying for PFI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I am not sure people are aware of what PFI is all about, and how it affects the NHS and other government and council services. It is one of the finance industries most audacious slight of financial hand. "A historic act of corporate piracy" does no justice to the plundering having already, and continuing to take place. Examples in Wikipedia give a flavour of the contempt and outright swindle PFI is really all about, where with the collusion of highly paid lawyers, and accountants financial corporations swindle us all. The debt created by PFI has a significant impact on the finances of public bodies. As of October 2007 the total capital value of PFI contracts signed throughout the UK was £68bn. However, this figure pales into insignificance compared with the commitment of central and local government to pay a further £267bn[24] over the lifetime of these contracts. So over a 400% mark up on that one, money for nothing, milking a cash cow, the British Taxpayer To give regional examples, the £5.2bn of PFI investment in Scotland up to 2007 has created a public sector cash liability of £22.3bn[49] and the investment of just £618m via PFI in Wales up to 2007 has created a public sector cash liability of £3.3bn. So its not about efficiencies, its not about making the NHS a better place, its about the corporate takeover of the NHS and all publicly run institutions, so ransoming the country in order to bay the debts to the private sector, where the bonus culture and inflated salaries were cooked up in the first place. Our politicians and government employees are outclassed educationally, legally, and in fact in a every way by the corporate sector that makes the laws for the swindle in the first place. Can you imagine a government employee however highly paid, or a politician, ploughing through reams of legal documents to clarify what the clever financial industry has cooked up? There is just not enough time in life, and such overwhelming detail allows private organisations to run rings around our elected dunderheads, and we pay the bills, and have to cut services to feed the private finance greed initiative. That is why everything is under-funded, hospitals close, blame for poor management are used as the real issue is paying for PFI. i cant wait for an answer to this one proving that your wrong :hihi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 We've had a similar posts to this on other hospital and school PFI threads which have effectively killed the argument! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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