MrSmith Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Mike is right, if it's not the opinion about those who care about equality, then they don't truly care about equality. By definition, anyone who cares about equality will care about gays having equal marriages. What's that? "Equal but different already?" Do I really have to copy and paste the posts from the other thread, which clearly show this is not the case? Having the same opinion doesn’t make him right, it just means you have the same opinion. There will be supporters of gay marriage that have no interest in equality, there will be some that do, there will be people that don't support gay marriage but support equality and some that don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 True freedom and equality is allowing people to live in the beliefs and the ways they choose No it isn't. There are a mountain of beliefs that shouldn't be tolerated. Would you tolerate a man who thought it was fine to take a 9 year old bride? Would you respect the beliefs of a man who thought that all Black Sabbath should be played at full volume? Or a man who thought that all cars should be driven as fast as possible? No. Society picks ages of consent, laws on how much noise we can make, and laws on how fast we can drive. We don't have true freedom and equality in belief. That kind of thinking only leads to resentment, the creation of prejudices Only prejudiced people will have prejudices, and they existed long before gay marriage. Illinois recently joined the list of states that now allow gay marriage. The road to it being accepted in every state is on the way. Some may take longer than others, and I still believe that it will have to go to the Supreme Court one day; but I have faith that I will live to see the day where every person in the USA has the same legal rights, regardless of which state they live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Having the same opinion doesn’t make him right, it just means you have the same opinion. It's not about what his opinion is (or mine), it's about the definition of equality. There will be supporters of gay marriage that have no interest in equality, there will be some that do, there will be people that don't support gay marriage but support equality and some that don't. That's quite an oxymoron you have there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 there will be people that don't support gay marriage but support equality No there won't. It's a contradiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 It's not about what his opinion is (or mine), it's about the definition of equality. Equality the state of being equal, men and women are equal yet different. Things can be different and equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Equality the state of being equal, men and women are equal yet different. Things can be different and equal. Why bring men and women into it? We're talking about civil partnership and marriage, which are not equal. (also, bleating "equal but different" does not change the definition of equality) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 No there won't. It's a contradiction. No it isn't because gay marriage as nothing to do with equality. ---------- Post added 17-02-2013 at 16:59 ---------- Why bring men and women into it? We're talking about civil partnership and marriage, which are not equal. Just an easy way to show you that many things are equal but different, equality isn't about making everything the same, it’s about making sure different things are equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 No it isn't because gay marriage as nothing to do with equality. Yes it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 No it isn't because gay marriage as nothing to do with equality. The prohibition or permission of gay marriage does though ---------- Post added 17-02-2013 at 17:00 ---------- Just an easy way to show you that many things are equal but different, equality isn't about making everything the same, it’s about making sure different things are equal. So totally irrelevant, as civil partnership and marriage are not equal ---------- Post added 17-02-2013 at 17:01 ---------- MODS: Why is there even a second thread on this subject while the other is still open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 The prohibition or permission of gay marriage does though ---------- Post added 17-02-2013 at 17:00 ---------- So totally irrelevant, as civil partnership and marriage are not equal ---------- Post added 17-02-2013 at 17:01 ---------- MODS: Why is there even a second thread on this subject while the other is still open? Equality is the state of being equal and not the state of it being the same, and civil partnership and marriage are equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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