gnvqsos Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Because he's suggesting that all child related benefits be made dependant on contributions. So people who had a child but had never paid any NI wouldn't be given any benefits. Which would result in a starving family, including the child(ren). It's pretty simple logic really isn't it. If benefits currently ensure that a child has enough to eat, and they were withdrawn due to making them contributory only then the child would no longer get enough to eat. It is crass as people would only contribute when conception occurs,leaving nine months in which to accrue sufficient benefits to last 18 years,approximately £9000 in nine months.You can see why some people are not suited to decision-making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC1 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Mr Duncan-Smith should focus on improving the jobs market rather than berating top whack fee paying graduates for wanting a little more than shelf stacking jobs. The sooner these morons get out of power the better for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Go on,I'll bite..how is working in a pen museum relevant to geology? ...... Ah. I didn't know it was a pen museum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Go on,I'll bite..how is working in a pen museum relevant to geology? It could be a stepping stone to other museum work, where her specialism may be useful. The pen museum like other museums would have offered the opportunity to gain skills in customer service, community/schools involvement, giving talks, giving tours, front desk/reception work, perhaps retail too if there was a museum shop, an opportunity to input into the museum's web presence, an insight into how museums are managed, maybe the 'opportunity' to help out with some of the more menial tasks. All this in a small intimate museum where it is much easier to get a broad overview of how the place generally runs. For somebody like Cait who I guess still aspires to getting into that line of work (and such opportunities do exist) it no doubt offered much better experience than stacking the shelves at a discount store. No wonder she was angry, especially having arranged the museum placement herself. As a volunteer she was also arguably a contributor to Mr Cameron's Big Society too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 it seems the rich/well off are doing something we normal people should be doing and thats sticking up for themselves. look how they scream when we talk about them avoiding tax/about talks of a mansion tax/etc they come out defending why it shouldnt happen. yet are happy to let millions of people bail them out how much more of this are the people of this country going to take.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tradescanthia Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 it seems the rich/well off are doing something we normal people should be doing and thats sticking up for themselves. look how they scream when we talk about them avoiding tax/about talks of a mansion tax/etc they come out defending why it shouldnt happen. yet are happy to let millions of people bail them out how much more of this are the people of this country going to take.? If the ordinary guy, the 'plebs', students, black, white, whatever, stood up to the Torys and defended themselves we would be in a better position than we are now. Trade Unions are now little more than useless, they have neither balls nor backbone. Leadership is required...........desperately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnvqsos Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 If the ordinary guy, the 'plebs', students, black, white, whatever, stood up to the Torys and defended themselves we would be in a better position than we are now. Trade Unions are now little more than useless, they have neither balls nor backbone. Leadership is required...........desperately. The unions are only weak because the working person lacks an alternative vision,and will not support the leadership,preferring to advance their status by individual rather than collective action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppet2 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Individuals are worth what someone will pay them for their work, or a company will pay them on contract, or what they can generate by getting off their ass and working for themselves. I have no time for the idle. You mean like MP's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tradescanthia Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The unions are only weak because the working person lacks an alternative vision,and will not support the leadership,preferring to advance their status by individual rather than collective action. 'Going it alone' very rarely works.........we found that out many years ago. It's 'uncool' to be a union member these days so the leadership have all but given up. Divide and rule.......the old Tory trick, turning man against man. We fall for it every time............[some of us,that is] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppet2 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I would make all child related benefits contributory only, but yes clearly we need to look after those British people who cannot look after themselves. As for foreigners, I think we have enough issues here without taking on the worlds problems. Subsequent governments allow immigration to keep wages low. The rich benefit from a low paid work force and less jobs means no wage increases and no strikes for fear of losing jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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