mikem8634 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Jeffrey, as a UKIP activist do you not think you may serve your party more effectively by debating the issues rather than by a)being unnecessarily sarcastic and fudging the distinction between populist and popular? Goodness: a political position that's popular with the populus. That'd never do- or maybe it would. b) playing to the gallery? Nor did you answer mine re anonymity. Head above parapet, anyone? c) bickering in a manner reflective of primary school? Er, because you picked on me? Biters rarely like to be bitten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnvqsos Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Jeffrey, as a UKIP activist do you not think you may serve your party more effectively by debating the issues rather than by a)being unnecessarily sarcastic, arrogant and fudging the distinction between populist and popular? b) playing to the gallery? c) bickering in a manner reflective of primary school? I wonder if t'old Nigel reads this forum for tips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem8634 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I wonder if t'old Nigel reads this forum for tips? You never know. I very much doubt that UKIP would ever attract my vote but if I was floating in that direction and saw a local party activist, somebody who aspired to represent my opinions and concerns at a local government level, behaving as highlighted in my previous post I would certainly begin to float away. I wonder what those who care about UKIP's reputation and credibility think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnvqsos Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 You never know. I very much doubt that UKIP would ever attract my vote but if I was floating in that direction and saw a local party activist, somebody who aspired to represent my opinions and concerns at a local government level, behaving as highlighted in my previous post I would certainly begin to float away. I wonder what those who care about UKIP's reputation and credibility think? The answer is reflected in the last election results where people expressed their disapproval unequivocably.If I had an interest in business and politics I would be rather more restrained in my comments,but I have had to outsource my paper round so can comment quite freely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focusnow Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Anyway, UKIP have my vote next time. The others have had a good go at it...and made a mess...its time for a change. None of these false accusations against UKIP really hold much water... ---------- Post added 07-03-2013 at 19:49 ---------- You never know. I very much doubt that UKIP would ever attract my vote but if I was floating in that direction and saw a local party activist, somebody who aspired to represent my opinions and concerns at a local government level, behaving as highlighted in my previous post I would certainly begin to float away. I wonder what those who care about UKIP's reputation and credibility think? Far be it for me to stick up for Jeff, I'm sure he can do that himself, I don't think he's done anything wrong...You're all just trying to muddy the water and discredit UKIP at any opportunity...it don't wash... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnvqsos Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Anyway, UKIP have my vote next time. The others have had a good go at it...and made a mess...its time for a change. None of these false accusations against UKIP really hold much water... ---------- Post added 07-03-2013 at 19:49 ---------- Far be it for me to stick up for Jeff, I'm sure he can do that himself, I don't think he's done anything wrong...You're all just trying to muddy the water and discredit UKIP at any opportunity...it don't wash... What is the UKIP policy on the economy,and why do you support it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebatty Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Anyway, UKIP have my vote next time. The others have had a good go at it...and made a mess...its time for a change. None of these false accusations against UKIP really hold much water... Time will tell . You still have plenty left to make some excuse for your demise . You only have one tory that has switched - and that says it all . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focusnow Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 What is the UKIP policy on the economy,and why do you support it? They're all here... http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies?p=2 ---------- Post added 07-03-2013 at 19:57 ---------- Time will tell . You still have plenty left to make some excuse for your demise . You only have one tory that has switched - and that says it all . I don't think they'll win the next election but they can replace the liberals as the 3rd party...I see their increase in popularity is effecting the other parties, in their approach to issues like immigration and Europe... I can't see a lot wrong with their aims, they're not the racist extremists depicted by some.... 1 Restore Self Government & Democracy • Commissioners in Brussels dictate 75% of our laws. None can be repealed by Parliament. We cannot vote for those who make these laws – we cannot remove them. • EU controls Immigration, Business and Employment, Financial Services, Fishing, Farming, Law and Order, Energy and Trade. It seeks now to control Foreign Affairs and Tax. • The British people must decide through an immediate referendum if we stay in the EU or to come out and claw back independent power over our national life. We do not have to be ruled by this regime to work with our European neighbours who depend on us for their markets. • Abolish the EU’s bureaucratic VAT and replace it with a local sales tax to support Local Government finance and to make it accountable at the ballot box. • Give the public power to require binding local and national referenda on major issues. 2 Rebuild Prosperity • By leaving the EU we save over £45m a day plus £60bn a year due to EU trade barriers, business regulation, waste, fraud, administration costs and the destruction of our fishing industry. • According to Open Europe EU business regulations cost over £20bn a year. Abolish those determined not essential by a commission appointed by Parliament. • Take 4.5 million of low incomes out of tax altogether with a simple, flat rate income tax. With a threshold set at minimum wage. • Financial services yield £61bn in tax revenues or 12% of the UK total. Exclude the City from EU controls. • UK national debt is to reach over £1.4 trillion by the end of the parliament. This is unacceptable. • UK national debt will exceed £1.4 trillion by the end of this Parliament by which time Osborne’s cuts will not even equal our EU contributions. Public spending is increasing and the Coalition’s cuts do not scratch the surface of Labour’s deficit. We must cut down Government if we are to return to a sound economy. • EU ‘renewable’ energy rules will double electricity bills by 2020. Global warming is not proven - wind power is futile. Scrap all green taxes, wind turbine subsidies and adopt nuclear power to free us from dependence on fossil fuels and foreign oil and gas. • Quangos cost us £60bn each year – at least half the cost of the NHS. Bring them under Parliament’s control and cut the cost substantially. • Cut taxes on small businesses and abolish the tax on work – Employers’ National Insurance. • Make real and rigorous cuts in foreign aid and replace with free trade. 3 Protect Our Borders & Defend Our Country • The tide of mass EU immigration has pushed down wages and restricted job opportunities. Only by leaving the EU can we regain control of our borders. • Freeze permanent immigration for 5 years. Immigrants must be fluent in English, have minimum education levels and show they can financially support themselves. • Bring in a points based visa system and time limited work permits. • The State must defend its peoples. Keep our nuclear deterrent and make increased defence spending a clear priority, even in these difficult times, to underpin Britain’s global role. 4 Safeguards Against Crime • No cuts to front line policing • Make sentences mean what they say – life must mean life. • Double prison places to enforce zero tolerance on crime. • Establish locally elected County Police Boards to set policing aims approved by voters. • Scrap the European Arrest Warrant. • Repeal the Human Rights Act to end abuses by convicted criminals and illegal immigrants. • Free the police force from the straitjacket of political correctness and ‘targets’. 5 Care And Support For All • Assure for all people prompt and caring treatment in ill health. • Radically simplify NHS management and set up locally elected County Health Boards. • Launch partnerships with the private and charity sectors to increase efficiency and choice and bring in health care vouchers for those who wish to opt out of the NHS. • Give parents school vouchers to allow them to choose their children’s schools. • Support grammar schools and vocational education. • End the 50% university target for school leavers , scrap tuition fees and reintroduce student grants. • Roll all State pensions and benefits into a simple, substantial Citizen’s Pension. • Ensure that benefits are only for those who have lived here for over 5 years. Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. 6 Our Way Of Life • Our traditional values have been undermined. Children are taught to be ashamed of our past. Multiculturalism has split our society. Political correctness is stifling free speech. • The law of the land must be single and apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law. • End the ban on smoking in allocated rooms in public houses, clubs and hotels. • Hold County wide referenda on the hunting ban. UKIP is a patriotic party that believes in putting Britain first. To shore up the collapsing Euro the EU is now seeking to pull away the props of our national economy - control of taxation and spending. Only UKIP will give the power to the British people to regain self-government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Jeffrey, as a UKIP activist do you not think you may serve your party more effectively by debating the issues rather than by a)being unnecessarily sarcastic and fudging the distinction between populist and popular? b) playing to the gallery? c) bickering in a manner reflective of primary school? I think Jeffrey was just raising the issue of certain anonymous posters who make ad hominum attacks on non-anonymous posters. Trust me, it gets tedious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebatty Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 They're all here... http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies?p=2 ---------- Post added 07-03-2013 at 19:57 ---------- I don't think they'll win the next election but they can replace the liberals as the 3rd party...I see their increase in popularity is effecting the other parties, in their approach to issues like immigration and Europe... I can't see a lot wrong with their aims, they're not the racist extremists depicted by some.... 1 Restore Self Government & Democracy • Commissioners in Brussels dictate 75% of our laws. None can be repealed by Parliament. We cannot vote for those who make these laws – we cannot remove them. • EU controls Immigration, Business and Employment, Financial Services, Fishing, Farming, Law and Order, Energy and Trade. It seeks now to control Foreign Affairs and Tax. • The British people must decide through an immediate referendum if we stay in the EU or to come out and claw back independent power over our national life. We do not have to be ruled by this regime to work with our European neighbours who depend on us for their markets. • Abolish the EU’s bureaucratic VAT and replace it with a local sales tax to support Local Government finance and to make it accountable at the ballot box. • Give the public power to require binding local and national referenda on major issues. 2 Rebuild Prosperity • By leaving the EU we save over £45m a day plus £60bn a year due to EU trade barriers, business regulation, waste, fraud, administration costs and the destruction of our fishing industry. • According to Open Europe EU business regulations cost over £20bn a year. Abolish those determined not essential by a commission appointed by Parliament. • Take 4.5 million of low incomes out of tax altogether with a simple, flat rate income tax. With a threshold set at minimum wage. • Financial services yield £61bn in tax revenues or 12% of the UK total. Exclude the City from EU controls. • UK national debt is to reach over £1.4 trillion by the end of the parliament. This is unacceptable. • UK national debt will exceed £1.4 trillion by the end of this Parliament by which time Osborne’s cuts will not even equal our EU contributions. Public spending is increasing and the Coalition’s cuts do not scratch the surface of Labour’s deficit. We must cut down Government if we are to return to a sound economy. • EU ‘renewable’ energy rules will double electricity bills by 2020. Global warming is not proven - wind power is futile. Scrap all green taxes, wind turbine subsidies and adopt nuclear power to free us from dependence on fossil fuels and foreign oil and gas. • Quangos cost us £60bn each year – at least half the cost of the NHS. Bring them under Parliament’s control and cut the cost substantially. • Cut taxes on small businesses and abolish the tax on work – Employers’ National Insurance. • Make real and rigorous cuts in foreign aid and replace with free trade. 3 Protect Our Borders & Defend Our Country • The tide of mass EU immigration has pushed down wages and restricted job opportunities. Only by leaving the EU can we regain control of our borders. • Freeze permanent immigration for 5 years. Immigrants must be fluent in English, have minimum education levels and show they can financially support themselves. • Bring in a points based visa system and time limited work permits. • The State must defend its peoples. Keep our nuclear deterrent and make increased defence spending a clear priority, even in these difficult times, to underpin Britain’s global role. 4 Safeguards Against Crime • No cuts to front line policing • Make sentences mean what they say – life must mean life. • Double prison places to enforce zero tolerance on crime. • Establish locally elected County Police Boards to set policing aims approved by voters. • Scrap the European Arrest Warrant. • Repeal the Human Rights Act to end abuses by convicted criminals and illegal immigrants. • Free the police force from the straitjacket of political correctness and ‘targets’. 5 Care And Support For All • Assure for all people prompt and caring treatment in ill health. • Radically simplify NHS management and set up locally elected County Health Boards. • Launch partnerships with the private and charity sectors to increase efficiency and choice and bring in health care vouchers for those who wish to opt out of the NHS. • Give parents school vouchers to allow them to choose their children’s schools. • Support grammar schools and vocational education. • End the 50% university target for school leavers , scrap tuition fees and reintroduce student grants. • Roll all State pensions and benefits into a simple, substantial Citizen’s Pension. • Ensure that benefits are only for those who have lived here for over 5 years. Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. 6 Our Way Of Life • Our traditional values have been undermined. Children are taught to be ashamed of our past. Multiculturalism has split our society. Political correctness is stifling free speech. • The law of the land must be single and apply to us all. We oppose any other system of law. • End the ban on smoking in allocated rooms in public houses, clubs and hotels. • Hold County wide referenda on the hunting ban. UKIP is a patriotic party that believes in putting Britain first. To shore up the collapsing Euro the EU is now seeking to pull away the props of our national economy - control of taxation and spending. Only UKIP will give the power to the British people to regain self-government. time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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