erebus Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 So nothing much to get your knickers in a twist, and according to the bigots on this site, this will make their day, for the rest of us, it should maybe be a warning of exactly what the cause of the money going up to the top. Socialism is dead, its soon time for people to practice everyone for themselves, so not much change there! http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent_messenger/news/2013/february/28/frozen_man.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 There is a grim irony in a homeless man freezing to death outside an empty house in the prosperous south east, but tbh I don't think you can extrapolate from this that a similar tragedy wouldn't have happened anywhere else in Britain. There may be kind hearted people in Kent where it happened, who had they knew about the situation would have given him some thing warm to eat, the use of their spare room or at least battled with the council on his behalf to find somewhere to stay. We already know that there are plenty of people in Sheffield, which isn't so prosperous where people would rather spit on him than help him. You only need look at some of the threads on here to know that. It is a tragedy though, and it shouldn't happen in this day and age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 So nothing much to get your knickers in a twist, and according to the bigots on this site, this will make their day, for the rest of us, it should maybe be a warning of exactly what the cause of the money going up to the top. Socialism is dead, its soon time for people to practice everyone for themselves, so not much change there! http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent_messenger/news/2013/february/28/frozen_man.aspx It's awful, and very sad. Homelessness shouldn't happen, and shelter is often available for those who need it. Sadly some will always fall through the cracks. What I find nearly as abhorrent is you claim it will make some peoples day. Trying to score political points (when was this country last socialist ????) over this poor blokes death points to a new low for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 It's awful, and very sad. Homelessness shouldn't happen, and shelter is often available for those who need it. Sadly some will always fall through the cracks. What I find nearly as abhorrent is you claim it will make some peoples day. Trying to score political points (when was this country last socialist ????) over this poor blokes death points to a new low for you. It's the norm in society to bring people's circumstances to the attention of others to highlight a problem. Newspapers and Politicians of all hues like to use people's circumstances and downfalls to prove political points, there's no point in being squeamish about it. I dunno whether it's scoring political points, because as you said, when was the last time the country was resembling something socialist (probably 1945 - 51 government), and all parties sing from the same neo-liberal 'There is no alternative' hymn sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 It's the norm in society to bring people's circumstances to the attention of others to highlight a problem. Newspapers and Politicians of all hues like to use people's circumstances and downfalls to prove political points, there's no point in being squeamish about it. I dunno whether it's scoring political points, because as you said, when was the last time the country was resembling something socialist (probably 1945 - 51 government), and all parties sing from the same neo-liberal 'There is no alternative' hymn sheet. Nothing wrong with the actual article in the paper - news reporting, no more no less - it was the over bearing op that went with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 There is a grim irony in a homeless man freezing to death outside an empty house There really is. An ugly brutal irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erebus Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 The point was its a glims into the not distant future, hear of the cuts, debt etc. Its the end of welfare, although it might take a decade or two, one never rushes into euthanasia, one makes people slowly walk into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molly44 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 more a case of starvation rather than death by hypothermia. a record 240,000 people rely on food banks NOW. given twelve months what will the situation be then?...http://www.trusselltrust.org/foodbank-projects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Macbeth Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 It's a tragedy when someone has no family or friends for support and ends up like the man in the OP's report. This was a sad story too: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-20628497 It reports that the man who died was offered help and accommodation on more than one occasion but refused it. These tragedies aren't always as clear cut as they may appear. ---------- Post added 05-03-2013 at 07:56 ---------- more a case of starvation rather than death by hypothermia. a record 240,000 people rely on food banks NOW. given twelve months what will the situation be then?...http://www.trusselltrust.org/foodbank-projects These foodbanks are a lifeline for some people. Lets hope they prove a wake up call to the benefits agencies, as one of the main reasons for people having no money seems to be the delays in sorting out benefits. In the link is quoted: '13 million people live below the poverty line in the UK'. Can anyone identify what income denotes poverty for different sized households? Its always quoted as a percentage of the median income or similar. Whilst I recognise that some levels of income are very low, not everyone on a low income struggles in the same way. Obviously people need enough to feed and house themselves, but how income is spent has an impact too. Hopefully the foodbanks have workers who can help and advise people who come to them how to get the best out of their income. Does anyone actually know what level of income means poverty for - a couple with no children; a single parent with a couple of kids; a single pensioner; or any other household ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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