Mick Philpott guilty of manslaughter

[skinz]

I was thinking more at trialling drugs to see side effects, rather than enjoying removing organs a la some horror film. I'm not intending to get into a discussion on vivisection, but animals are subject to medical trials and experiments with the hope that the results will be relevant to humans. Well here we have a human (in the wider sense) on which to perform those trials.

 

I think you're getting into seriously dodgy waters with this one.

 

not sure I understand, are you saying that some will have no sympathy for the ex he tried to stab and the kids that died?

 

I wasn't implying that some satisfaction would be gained, but lack of sympathy from certain quarters sure. The other Phillpot thread implies that children and benefits are the reason, reasons we could do without. It would be unwise to naively think that haters of anything that drains society of its benefit system as a positive don't exist.

[Halibut]

That's why my post clearly said "a guilty man, one found guilty without a shadow of any doubt".

 

Times and crime detecting technology have moved on since we last hung someone.

 

And still innocent people get convicted.

[hyper]

I think you're getting into seriously dodgy waters with this one..

oh yeah, definitely. But for scum where there is no doubt, no hope for the future and just a future drain on society, I'd happily chart those dodgy waters. Phillpot didn't exactly sail clear blue calm waters anyway, so dodgy areas would be his forte.

[evildrneil]

I just don't see why an uncivilised man, leading an uncivilised life and performing uncivilised acts should be given a civilised punishment.

 

Lets face it, he's going to be protected in prison, a roof over his head, clean clothes, food, and plenty to occupy him since he'll be segregated.

 

Because the rest of us (I hope) are civilised so we should treat people in a civilised way not drag society down to the level of the criminal.

[esme]

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Back on topic please, capital punishment has already been done to death I believe.

[mikem8634]

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Back on topic please, capital punishment has already been done to death I believe.

 

Esme, was that pun intended?

 

I know you can't reply.

[boyfriday]

why should it? I don't want to inflict as much misery as possible on anyone, murderer or not. Thats uncivilised. I just want to know they are not able to repeat their crime.

Because it's a factor that affects the provision of sentencing and the effects it might have on the offender. It's plain daft to have a sentencing regime where all the possible effects of that sentencing and the options available aren't fully considered.

I just think that mentaility of wanting to punish someone forever is evil in itself.

..and equally that view should be accommodated in the provisions for sentencing.

There was a documentary on recently where a 13 year old boy had commited a double homicide (clearly terrible) but he was in his late 20s and in solitary confinement for the rest of his life. Why inflict that on someone? And why keep them alive to cause them misery. That attitude disgusts me.

I don't think there are any 13 year olds who are subject to whole tariffs.

[Hillpig]

Well it's tricky to answer a narrow closed mind, so I'll just give you some examples.

 

Stefan Kisko. Sally Clarke. Derek Bentley. Timothy Evans.

 

 

 

So you have doubt that he may be guilty?

 

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1. Because there IS a distinction between murder and manslaughter (and they are degrees within each of those distinctions).

 

2. Because the law does not pick on any individual or individual crime - it merely lays down the framework for the application of suitable punishments befitting those crimes when individuals are caught, tried, found guilty and convicted of breaking that law.

 

3. Because, as a society, it was decided not to have capital punishment due to the various miscarriages of justice that have occured over the years (Timothy Evans, Derek Bentley etc.,) where innocent people were hanged.

 

Whatever your personal feelings towards Mick Philpott (and I cannot help but wonder if these feelings go beyond the crime he has been convicted of - which, whether you like it or not, is manslaughter; a no point during the trial was it suggested by the prosecution that neither he nor the other defendants intentionally set out to murder those poor children; it makes little difference on a emotional level - the children have died as a result of their actions - but it makes all the difference in law), those are irrelavent. You cannot hang someone just because you don't much like them - and, by all accounts, leaving the crime he has been convicted of aside for the moment, he doesn't come across as a pleasant person.

 

Think of it in a wider context. Say someone had come home from a night out with his/her friends, had decided to have some chips or a burger. Puts on the oil or starts to cook the burger and then has a sit down. Falls asleep and is woken by the smell of smoke.

 

House is on fire, he/she gets out, but children, asleep upstairs, are trapped and die as a result of the fire.

 

Murder? Or a tragic (preventable, but nonetheless tragic) accident?

 

Guilty - let them hang?

 

Thankfully, the majority of society do not have the same views as you and, thankfully, those that do have little or no power to change things.

 

I find it strange that some should be up in arms and calling for the death penalty as a punishment for the crime of murder.

 

It's wrong to commit murder unless it's as a punishment permissable by the state.

 

Double-standard, eh?

 

I think you have come to the conclusion that I am a supporter of the death penalty. That is not necessarily true. I merely ask a question. You have not answered the one I asked, merely the one you were pre disposed to answer.

[hyper]

why should it? I don't want to inflict as much misery as possible on anyone, murderer or not. Thats uncivilised. I just want to know they are not able to repeat their crime.

your method means punishment acts as no deterent to anyone considering something similar. Jail has three purposes - punishment, time to repent away from society and deterrent.

[Hillpig]

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Back on topic please, capital punishment has already been done to death I believe.

 

My apologies, I did not see your note before responding to others.