E-cigs/E-cigarettes: MegaThread Discussion

[Anna Glypta]

http://www.slbsmoking.com/news_view.php?id=253

 

 

 

Dear all SLB distributors and customers ,

 

We are aware of a serious quality issue of Vapros V1 since we officially launched it in January of 2013 .We understand that the current situation is creating concerns ,and we deeply apologize for all the panic and inconvenience .

 

We assure customers:

 

1. All the sold Vapros V1 will be recalled and refunded ;

 

2. We have stopped the sales of this item at yesterday and won’t sell until all issues are fixed ;

 

3. We are working on the improvement in the same time .

 

From the report of quality dept , the reason why the Vapros V1 was auto-firing is because of three defective components from our supplier ,and our quality dept ignored to test this part . Meanwhile ,we are still trying our best to test and check if there are another reasons and the improved Vapros V1 will be properly beta tested by our Europe and US customers . The schedule of improved Vapros V1 launching will be informed to all SLB customers .

 

At last ,thanks a lot for supporting SLB for the long time , also ,we are very grateful all the advices and comments of the items from all the customers .There was some mistakes during the e-cigs development even though we tried very hard to provide you best products .We will keep trying our best to provide better solutions of smoking to all the vapors .

 

Thanks for all !

 

SLB Tech

 

17th Jan 2013

Edited February 22, 2013 by Anna Glypta

[Anna Glypta]

Who exactly and what reason was actually given?

 

That would be the BMA who advised the government in this country to ban e-cigs from public places. Probably because of things like this.

 

 

 

Dear all SLB distributors and customers ,

 

We are aware of a serious quality issue of Vapros V1 since we officially launched it in January of 2013 .We understand that the current situation is creating concerns ,and we deeply apologize for all the panic and inconvenience .

 

We assure customers:

 

1. All the sold Vapros V1 will be recalled and refunded ;

 

2. We have stopped the sales of this item at yesterday and won’t sell until all issues are fixed ;

 

3. We are working on the improvement in the same time .

 

From the report of quality dept , the reason why the Vapros V1 was auto-firing is because of three defective components from our supplier ,and our quality dept ignored to test this part . Meanwhile ,we are still trying our best to test and check if there are another reasons and the improved Vapros V1 will be properly beta tested by our Europe and US customers . The schedule of improved Vapros V1 launching will be informed to all SLB customers .

 

At last ,thanks a lot for supporting SLB for the long time , also ,we are very grateful all the advices and comments of the items from all the customers .There was some mistakes during the e-cigs development even though we tried very hard to provide you best products .We will keep trying our best to provide better solutions of smoking to all the vapors .

 

Thanks for all !

 

 

 

 

 

SLB Tech

 

17th Jan 2013

[Cyclone]

There doesn't appear to be anything medical in that statement or any reason the BMA would have taken an interest.

[NorthernStar]

That would be the BMA who advised the government in this country to ban e-cigs from public places. Probably because of things like this.

 

 

 

Dear all SLB distributors and customers ,

 

We are aware of a serious quality issue of Vapros V1 since we officially launched it in January of 2013 .We understand that the current situation is creating concerns ,and we deeply apologize for all the panic and inconvenience .

 

We assure customers:

 

1. All the sold Vapros V1 will be recalled and refunded ;

 

2. We have stopped the sales of this item at yesterday and won’t sell until all issues are fixed ;

 

3. We are working on the improvement in the same time .

 

From the report of quality dept , the reason why the Vapros V1 was auto-firing is because of three defective components from our supplier ,and our quality dept ignored to test this part . Meanwhile ,we are still trying our best to test and check if there are another reasons and the improved Vapros V1 will be properly beta tested by our Europe and US customers . The schedule of improved Vapros V1 launching will be informed to all SLB customers .

 

At last ,thanks a lot for supporting SLB for the long time , also ,we are very grateful all the advices and comments of the items from all the customers .There was some mistakes during the e-cigs development even though we tried very hard to provide you best products .We will keep trying our best to provide better solutions of smoking to all the vapors .

 

Thanks for all !

 

 

 

 

 

SLB Tech

 

17th Jan 2013

 

That might be an argument for regulating e-cigs, but I fail to see the relevance here.

[stingray-man]

There doesn't appear to be anything medical in that statement or any reason the BMA would have taken an interest.

 

Apart from the fact it says they have a serious quality issue, I doubt they would be recalling them for making them the wrong colour .....

[onewheeldave]

Damn those highly qualified medical consultants that advise governments and the airlines. If only they had gone to an expert like you this wouldn't have happened.

 

The governments got a good track record of ignoring any advice from it's expert drug advisors that they don't (for political reasons) like, and/or sacking them.

 

---------- Post added 22-02-2013 at 12:40 ----------

 

That would be the BMA who advised the government in this country to ban e-cigs from public places. Probably because of things like this.

 

 

No- I've seen the list of 'reasons' the BMA issued to attempt to justify their dislike of e-cigs: it included nonsense like 'e-cigs make cigarette smoking look appealing', which, as anyone who knows about e-cigs knows, is rubbish (the e-cigs that look like cigarettes aren't any good, and, good e-cigs look nothing liken cigatettes).

 

In the case you quote, the appropriate thing is some form of regulation- which most ecig producers are actaully asking for and in favour of.

 

The BMA are a disgrace, they've obviously been either bought off, or, genuinely are as inept as they appear.

[Anna Glypta]

Apart from the fact it says they have a serious quality issue, I doubt they would be recalling them for making them the wrong colour .....

 

:hihi::hihi:

 

---------- Post added 22-02-2013 at 11:44 ----------

 

The governments got a good track record of ignoring any advice from it's expert drug advisors that they don't (for political reasons) like, and/or sacking them.

 

---------- Post added 22-02-2013 at 12:40 ----------

 

 

No- I've seen the list of 'reasons' the BMA issued to attempt to justify their dislike of e-cigs: it included nonsense like 'e-cigs make cigarette smoking look appealing', which, as anyone who knows about e-cigs knows, is rubbish (the e-cigs that look like cigarettes aren't any good, and, good e-cigs look nothing liken cigatettes).

 

In the case you quote, the appropriate thing is some form of regulation- which most ecig producers are actaully asking for and in favour of.

 

The BMA are a disgrace, they've obviously been either bought off, or, genuinely are as inept as they appear.

 

You seem to ignore the fact that national carriers from many (or most) countries seem to be banning them too. Why would you think that is? Perhaps you can point us to a national airline that relies on Sheffield Forum's medical experts for advice and still allows their use on planes.

Edited February 22, 2013 by Anna Glypta

[NorthernStar]

You seem to ignore the fact that national carriers from many (or most) countries seem to be banning them too. Why would you think that is? Perhaps you can point us to a national airline that relies on Sheffield Forum's medical experts for advice and still allows their use on planes.

 

Here's what some medical experts say:-

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flXtE8hb6cs&feature=related

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XfDQh6ZEVw&feature=related

 

 

 

Just do the research, there is no good reason to be against e-cigs.

Edited February 22, 2013 by NorthernStar

[cgksheff]

BMA:

http://bma.org.uk/working-for-change/improving-and-protecting-health/tobacco/e-cigarettes

 

US Dept of Transport say that the existing ban on smoking tobacco products covers e-cigarettes but intend to update the regulations to specifically ban e-cigarettes:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-09-15/html/2011-23673.htm

[onewheeldave]

 

You seem to ignore the fact that national carriers from many (or most) countries seem to be banning them too. Why would you think that is? Perhaps you can point us to a national airline that relies on Sheffield Forum's medical experts for advice and still allows their use on planes.

 

I don't know their 'reasons'- I assume it's the same 'reasons' the BMA are against e-cigs and the same 'reasons' the govt are against them i.e. political lobbying and being bought off.

 

Equally, it could just be the usual knee-jerk hysteria.

 

It would be good if the airlines could publish their 'reasons', then we wouldn't be in the dark?

 

Either way, given that the BMA and the govt seem perfectly happy to try to ban things for no good reason, I hardly think that airlines are going to necessarily be in a position to have a rational viewpoint on e-cigs

 

Lastly, your constant reference to

 

Sheffield Forum's medical experts

is a total strawman- not a single person here who opposes these attacks on e-cigs is forming their opinion on the basis of what sheffield forum-ers believe.

 

They oppose attacks on e-cigs because they know that there is no good evidence to ban them, because they have personal experience of people who've benefited hugely from e-cigs (i.e. they've quit smoking cigarettes), and/or, because they feel that the attacks are politically motivated and have no rational basis.