Bonzo77 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 The report I heard this morning saidthat Wales might be the first part of the UK to ban e-cigs in enclosed spaces because of the risk that e-cigs might start children on the path to smoking. I don't need to point out the obvious inconsistencies and stupidity exhibited in assumption and reaction, but it's symptomatic of what happens when people get thrown off their high horses. Yeah, I heard some goon on the BBC saying that ecigs are a gateway to real smoking!! If I were thinking of starting smoking, I'd start on the gum and patches first, then work my way up to the ecigs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Yeah, I heard some goon on the BBC saying that ecigs are a gateway to real smoking!! If I were thinking of starting smoking, I'd start on the gum and patches first, then work my way up to the ecigs e-cigs have achieved, in less than 5 years, what public policy and medical NRT have failed to achieve in 30. Here's Viscount Ridley (a non-smoker and non-vaper) in the HoL last year - 2 interesting points he makes. If nicotine is to be regulated, then will that include Aubergines? The BMA is now taking the side of the tobacco companies with its pronouncements on e-cigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo77 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 e-cigs have achieved, in less than 5 years, what public policy and medical NRT have failed to achieve in 30. Here's Viscount Ridley (a non-smoker and non-vaper) in the HoL last year - 2 interesting points he makes. If nicotine is to be regulated, then will that include Aubergines? The BMA is now taking the side of the tobacco companies with its pronouncements on e-cigs. A very good speech. I totally agree on all points. Ecigs should be allowed to be advertised as a glamorous product Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdbx Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 The problem is that the whole industry is unregulated, no one knows whats in e cigs. Whilst in there natural state the chemicals contained maybe harmless but once heated to produce a vapour could change into something harmful. Nicotine is addictive and you don't know how much of a hit you take with e cigs. My thoughts are that most people use these more than they would actually smoke a fag and be more addicted. I heard a quote by a doctor on radio 4 some time ago, she said "it took us 300 years to find out tobacco was harmful, do we need to wait another 300 years with e cigs" If you wanted to get the same nicotine hit as 1 cig you would have to eat around 20lbs of Aubergines. The BMA is cautious on their use. What the Scots say http://bma.org.uk/news-views-analysis/news/2014/march/doctors-seek-e-cigarette-ban-in-public-places What the BMA said in December http://bma.org.uk/news-views-analysis/news/2013/december/new-safeguards-for-e-cigarettes-backed-by-bma a bit more http://bma.org.uk/news-views-analysis/news/2013/january/ecigarettes-not-proven-quitting-aid-says-bma BTW I'm an ex smoker. Just my 2p worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo77 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 The problem is that the whole industry is unregulated, no one knows whats in e cigs. Whilst in there natural state the chemicals contained maybe harmless but once heated to produce a vapour could change into something harmful. Nicotine is addictive and you don't know how much of a hit you take with e cigs. My thoughts are that most people use these more than they would actually smoke a fag and be more addicted. I heard a quote by a doctor on radio 4 some time ago, she said "it took us 300 years to find out tobacco was harmful, do we need to wait another 300 years with e cigs" If you wanted to get the same nicotine hit as 1 cig you would have to eat around 20lbs of Aubergines. The BMA is cautious on their use. What the Scots say http://bma.org.uk/news-views-analysis/news/2014/march/doctors-seek-e-cigarette-ban-in-public-places What the BMA said in December http://bma.org.uk/news-views-analysis/news/2013/december/new-safeguards-for-e-cigarettes-backed-by-bma a bit more http://bma.org.uk/news-views-analysis/news/2013/january/ecigarettes-not-proven-quitting-aid-says-bma BTW I'm an ex smoker. Just my 2p worth. 10 grams of Aubergines gives you the same amount of nicotine as sitting in a room with a smoker for 3 hours! (watch the video from Phanerothyme's post #672). I'm surprised a Dr would quote something so stupid as "it took us 300 years to find out that tobacco was bad for our health", because that's not true! There are many more harmful substances that are bottled and sold with no regulation. The fact is, that ecigs are a hell of a lot better for you than real cigarettes and they are working! People are stopping smoking. What's the problem?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL94x4 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 10 grams of Aubergines gives you the same amount of nicotine as sitting in a room with a smoker for 3 hours! (watch the video from Phanerothyme's post #672). I'm surprised a Dr would quote something so stupid as "it took us 300 years to find out that tobacco was bad for our health", because that's not true! There are many more harmful substances that are bottled and sold with no regulation. The fact is, that ecigs are a hell of a lot better for you than real cigarettes and they are working! People are stopping smoking. What's the problem?! Is that really a fact though? It may stop people smoking, it doesn't mean its better for you, its just an alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza58 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 ]Is that really a fact though[/b]? It may stop people smoking' date=' it doesn't mean its better for you, its just an alternative.[/quote'] Yes,you think about the additives in cigarettes compared to the e.cigs,its much more than a alternative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bypassblade Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Is that really a fact though? It may stop people smoking, it doesn't mean its better for you, its just an alternative. Yes it is an alternative but it has to be better as there are no carcinogens in them to start with, if I still smoked I would plump for one. There is no medical evidence that smoking e-cigs makes you smoke real tobacco so the Taffy's are starting a panic there. People do nothing but moan about smokers, what do they do Introduce e-cigs, so the gits still moan. Been on BBC news today about how polluted our cities are becoming again, and we've had the Sahara sand come over which happens 2-3 times a year. The main reason given for the pollution by an EXPERT was the emissions from cars and lorries and the like, no mention of cigarettes. So before you all jump in your cars and decide to pollute our atmosphere walk, as a smoker does nowhere near the damage you clowns do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo77 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Is that really a fact though? It may stop people smoking, it doesn't mean its better for you, its just an alternative. They are better for you. I'm not saying that they are good for you, but they are better. Around 1,000 times better for you than real cigarettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndyloo Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 E-cigarette shops are popping up all over Sheffield now, I see more and more people using them when I'm out and about. I myself have converted to one since last November after smoking for 15 years. So how many of us on here are vaping now and have packed it in with the stinkies? Are people using the e-cig pens or have you upgraded to something a little bigger? Any recommendations on flavours? Let's hear it! I have been vaping for 18 days (early days I know) but I have smoked 20 a day for nearly 50 yrs.I use the blueberry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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