Halibut Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Aarrgggh - I take it back, he was serious..... I'm speaking,fierysatsuma as someone who has visited prison (Armley),Rampton, and worked for the last eight years in a secure psychiatric unit. Not directly comparable I know but there are many parallels to be drawn. Yes, people in my establishment (as do many prisoners at "real" prisons) had access to a pool/snooker table , to a television and (God forbid, horror of horrors) a Playstation. They were treated with courtesy, respect and got reasonable food. We never beat or humiliated people and only ever isolated them as a last resort where it was absolutely necessary..... But, what I think the people who complain about how "soft" our prisons are consistently underestimate is how horrible it is simply to be deprived of one's liberty; to have to ask everytime you want to go anywhere, to be unable to choose your own bedtime,food or access to outdoors - to be forced to share your space with people you don't like, to be denied the freedom to talk to family and friends; have a beer or a smoke when you want one...Enforced idleness is a terrible thing and can turn intelligent men and women into pale shadows of their former selves. There is also the threat of violence, which can be appallingly wearing and tiresome for those locked up and those who care for them. In short, being locked up, with or without TV's and all the rest, is for most people, a thoroughly unpleasant experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fierysatsuma Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Aarrgggh - I take it back, he was serious..... I'm speaking,fierysatsuma as someone who has visited prison (Armley),Rampton, and worked for the last eight years in a secure psychiatric unit. Not directly comparable I know but there are many parallels to be drawn. Yes, people in my establishment (as do many prisoners at "real" prisons) had access to a pool/snooker table , to a television and (God forbid, horror of horrors) a Playstation. They were treated with courtesy, respect and got reasonable food. We never beat or humiliated people and only ever isolated them as a last resort where it was absolutely necessary..... But, what I think the people who complain about how "soft" our prisons are consistently underestimate is how horrible it is simply to be deprived of one's liberty; to have to ask everytime you want to go anywhere, to be unable to choose your own bedtime,food or access to outdoors - to be forced to share your space with people you don't like, to be denied the freedom to talk to family and friends; have a beer or a smoke when you want one...Enforced idleness is a terrible thing and can turn intelligent men and women into pale shadows of their former selves. There is also the threat of violence, which can be appallingly wearing and tiresome for those locked up and those who care for them. In short, being locked up, with or without TV's and all the rest, is for most people, a thoroughly unpleasant experience. I wasn't serious to start with, but I am interested in your perspective of being locked up. Your view has given me a further insight. My experience (or that of a colleague) is of repeat youth offenders so I suppose the deprivision on one's liberty is different from that of say an older person - what I mean is, for a youth he's probably used to a degree of authority. But thanks for your comments, I mean that. I suppose we're going way of the mark in terms of this thread now aren't we! PS, Your occupation was somewhat interesting to me as I deal with client's (personally injury) who are patient's within the meaning of the mental health act due to psychiatric illness. Ranging from those who simply have a mild form of alzeimer's, to those who are sectioned for the good of their health (or that of others). Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royjames Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Aarrgggh - I take it back, he was serious..... I'm speaking,fierysatsuma as someone who has visited prison (Armley),Rampton, and worked for the last eight years in a secure psychiatric unit. Not directly comparable I know but there are many parallels to be drawn. Yes, people in my establishment (as do many prisoners at "real" prisons) had access to a pool/snooker table , to a television and (God forbid, horror of horrors) a Playstation. They were treated with courtesy, respect and got reasonable food. We never beat or humiliated people and only ever isolated them as a last resort where it was absolutely necessary..... But, what I think the people who complain about how "soft" our prisons are consistently underestimate is how horrible it is simply to be deprived of one's liberty; to have to ask everytime you want to go anywhere, to be unable to choose your own bedtime,food or access to outdoors - to be forced to share your space with people you don't like, to be denied the freedom to talk to family and friends; have a beer or a smoke when you want one...Enforced idleness is a terrible thing and can turn intelligent men and women into pale shadows of their former selves. There is also the threat of violence, which can be appallingly wearing and tiresome for those locked up and those who care for them. In short, being locked up, with or without TV's and all the rest, is for most people, a thoroughly unpleasant experience. This I agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 This I agree with. Roy, I'm almost speechless, I think this must be the first time we've agreed on something. I feel like a celebration is due! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royjames Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Roy, I'm almost speechless, I think this must be the first time we've agreed on something. I feel like a celebration is due! Yeh I am almost speechless myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake01 Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Roy, I'm almost speechless, I think this must be the first time we've agreed on something. I feel like a celebration is due! Yeh I am almost speechless myself. :confused: GeNtLeMeN.... pLeEzE.... this is a family forum.... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fierysatsuma Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 At last.. some arrests! 5 arrested and held over their role in the protests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Why has nothing been done about the people who carried these placards? The police have all the evidence needed, they also know their identities. They were doing something after all look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upholder Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 They were doing something after all look. They should have done something there and then, should they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Internetowl Posted March 15, 2006 Author Share Posted March 15, 2006 No one's been locked up as yet for it however - looks good in the media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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